getting permission
05-29-2010, 08:24 PM
#1
Giant Nontypical
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 6,867
getting permission
I have two chances to get access to two different pieces of land which border each other. Both are corn/beans with woods by. One is 250 or so acres and one is 150 I think. Every night when we drive out of our shop I notice alot of deer. One of the property the owner owns the local insurance company we have our business policy with. The other is a guy who lives in the next town and leases out the land.
How should I go at getting permission? The insurance guy I figured I would talk to face to face. The other will properly be on the phone.
How should I go at getting permission? The insurance guy I figured I would talk to face to face. The other will properly be on the phone.
05-29-2010, 11:33 PM
#2
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Camp Lejeune, NC
Posts: 3,869
Personally, I would try the face-to-face approach for both gentlemen. That way you could shake their hands and show them what kind of person you are. It's always better to look them in the eye when you assure them you'll be responsible if allowed to hunt on their property.
05-30-2010, 04:03 AM
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Burke, VA (raised in MD)
Posts: 1,096
As a military guy, I move often and have become somewhat of an expert property scrounger. Here are some non-typical pointers:
1. Gotta make your approach face-to-face! I have only been turned down a couple of times in 20 years and they were on the phone. Avoid first contact on the phone if at all possible.
2. Approach the owner that is most likely to say ‘yes’ first. Then, when you tackle the second guy, you can mention that his neighbor has already granted permission.
3. If you are turned down for permission to hunt, consider asking for permission to track and retrieve (very important for bowhunting) or even shed hunting or crossing the property for stealthy entrance/exit. Then, build a relationship based on trust and respectful land use.
4. A lot of folks will tell you to offer to help with chores and this is fine. However, it is not as important to most landowners as you might think.
5. Expect a chilly reception initially. If you have a previous relation (like the insurance guy), then you are way ahead.
6. You can download a release from liability on the internet. You can sign it and offer it to the landowner if he/she is worried about being sued. PM me and I can send a blank one via email if you don't want to pay/download. A little bit of legal internet research can help here too. For example, it is not possible for a 'recreational land user' to sue a land owner in Virginia (where I live now).
7. Always carry a small, blank permission slip in your wallet/car - in case you unexpectedly meet a property owner at kid's school, church, etc.
8. The best way to get good at finding new properties is to do it.
9. Get familiar your county tax map system. Some use internet sites that are very simple to use for research landowner names, addresses etc. Don't overwhelm the landowner with how much info you know about him or his property. It's creepy.
10. In my opinion, finding new properties is an absolutely vital task just like accurate shooting, bow tuning, post-season scouting, meat care etc.
1. Gotta make your approach face-to-face! I have only been turned down a couple of times in 20 years and they were on the phone. Avoid first contact on the phone if at all possible.
2. Approach the owner that is most likely to say ‘yes’ first. Then, when you tackle the second guy, you can mention that his neighbor has already granted permission.
3. If you are turned down for permission to hunt, consider asking for permission to track and retrieve (very important for bowhunting) or even shed hunting or crossing the property for stealthy entrance/exit. Then, build a relationship based on trust and respectful land use.
4. A lot of folks will tell you to offer to help with chores and this is fine. However, it is not as important to most landowners as you might think.
5. Expect a chilly reception initially. If you have a previous relation (like the insurance guy), then you are way ahead.
6. You can download a release from liability on the internet. You can sign it and offer it to the landowner if he/she is worried about being sued. PM me and I can send a blank one via email if you don't want to pay/download. A little bit of legal internet research can help here too. For example, it is not possible for a 'recreational land user' to sue a land owner in Virginia (where I live now).
7. Always carry a small, blank permission slip in your wallet/car - in case you unexpectedly meet a property owner at kid's school, church, etc.
8. The best way to get good at finding new properties is to do it.
9. Get familiar your county tax map system. Some use internet sites that are very simple to use for research landowner names, addresses etc. Don't overwhelm the landowner with how much info you know about him or his property. It's creepy.
10. In my opinion, finding new properties is an absolutely vital task just like accurate shooting, bow tuning, post-season scouting, meat care etc.
05-30-2010, 08:28 AM
#4
Giant Nontypical
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 6,867
I will pm you my email. Alot of good info there buddy. WIll try for the face to face for the other guy. Figure I will print out the release and info on insurance and offer to get a liability policy to cover them. The guy we bought the business from said neither would be a issue. He said the insurance guy is a good friend and normally will say yes if he knows the person and knows their responsible I guess they just want to know who is coming and going and when. Good thing for me my schedule is open so I can hunt during the week if they want the weekend to them selfs.
As a military guy, I move often and have become somewhat of an expert property scrounger. Here are some non-typical pointers:
1. Gotta make your approach face-to-face! I have only been turned down a couple of times in 20 years and they were on the phone. Avoid first contact on the phone if at all possible.
2. Approach the owner that is most likely to say ‘yes’ first. Then, when you tackle the second guy, you can mention that his neighbor has already granted permission.
3. If you are turned down for permission to hunt, consider asking for permission to track and retrieve (very important for bowhunting) or even shed hunting or crossing the property for stealthy entrance/exit. Then, build a relationship based on trust and respectful land use.
4. A lot of folks will tell you to offer to help with chores and this is fine. However, it is not as important to most landowners as you might think.
5. Expect a chilly reception initially. If you have a previous relation (like the insurance guy), then you are way ahead.
6. You can download a release from liability on the internet. You can sign it and offer it to the landowner if he/she is worried about being sued. PM me and I can send a blank one via email if you don't want to pay/download. A little bit of legal internet research can help here too. For example, it is not possible for a 'recreational land user' to sue a land owner in Virginia (where I live now).
7. Always carry a small, blank permission slip in your wallet/car - in case you unexpectedly meet a property owner at kid's school, church, etc.
8. The best way to get good at finding new properties is to do it.
9. Get familiar your county tax map system. Some use internet sites that are very simple to use for research landowner names, addresses etc. Don't overwhelm the landowner with how much info you know about him or his property. It's creepy.
10. In my opinion, finding new properties is an absolutely vital task just like accurate shooting, bow tuning, post-season scouting, meat care etc.
1. Gotta make your approach face-to-face! I have only been turned down a couple of times in 20 years and they were on the phone. Avoid first contact on the phone if at all possible.
2. Approach the owner that is most likely to say ‘yes’ first. Then, when you tackle the second guy, you can mention that his neighbor has already granted permission.
3. If you are turned down for permission to hunt, consider asking for permission to track and retrieve (very important for bowhunting) or even shed hunting or crossing the property for stealthy entrance/exit. Then, build a relationship based on trust and respectful land use.
4. A lot of folks will tell you to offer to help with chores and this is fine. However, it is not as important to most landowners as you might think.
5. Expect a chilly reception initially. If you have a previous relation (like the insurance guy), then you are way ahead.
6. You can download a release from liability on the internet. You can sign it and offer it to the landowner if he/she is worried about being sued. PM me and I can send a blank one via email if you don't want to pay/download. A little bit of legal internet research can help here too. For example, it is not possible for a 'recreational land user' to sue a land owner in Virginia (where I live now).
7. Always carry a small, blank permission slip in your wallet/car - in case you unexpectedly meet a property owner at kid's school, church, etc.
8. The best way to get good at finding new properties is to do it.
9. Get familiar your county tax map system. Some use internet sites that are very simple to use for research landowner names, addresses etc. Don't overwhelm the landowner with how much info you know about him or his property. It's creepy.
10. In my opinion, finding new properties is an absolutely vital task just like accurate shooting, bow tuning, post-season scouting, meat care etc.
05-30-2010, 09:53 AM
#5
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,876
with the insurance guy I'd just start talking to him and slowly bring deer hunting into the conversation until a light clicks on in his head that I'm asking. Then again I try and make friends first or be introduced at a party (good time of year for those) by a friend. Most already have given some permission and some need a little more time to mull it over, maybe next year. A few say, we'd love having you hunt there.
Work on genuinely caring about other people and the rest will come. As a result of taking care of business first I've had people here ask their anti hunting daughter in your state for me. They not only said yes but would love to put me up. Have had offers to go out west,south,east and canada. Just make friends and most of all marry a good woman who takes your food over to everybody, even people who don't want her too.
Going to a party today that the little woman is taking food too. I'm feeling good about this party on a rural farm. Got a be several thousands of acre's being represented there and you know them farmers, best way to'm is through the wifes food.
Work on genuinely caring about other people and the rest will come. As a result of taking care of business first I've had people here ask their anti hunting daughter in your state for me. They not only said yes but would love to put me up. Have had offers to go out west,south,east and canada. Just make friends and most of all marry a good woman who takes your food over to everybody, even people who don't want her too.
Going to a party today that the little woman is taking food too. I'm feeling good about this party on a rural farm. Got a be several thousands of acre's being represented there and you know them farmers, best way to'm is through the wifes food.
Last edited by nodog; 05-30-2010 at 09:57 AM.
05-30-2010, 11:51 AM
#6
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Idaho
Posts: 384
As a military guy, I move often and have become somewhat of an expert property scrounger. Here are some non-typical pointers:
1. Gotta make your approach face-to-face! I have only been turned down a couple of times in 20 years and they were on the phone. Avoid first contact on the phone if at all possible.
2. Approach the owner that is most likely to say ‘yes’ first. Then, when you tackle the second guy, you can mention that his neighbor has already granted permission.
3. If you are turned down for permission to hunt, consider asking for permission to track and retrieve (very important for bowhunting) or even shed hunting or crossing the property for stealthy entrance/exit. Then, build a relationship based on trust and respectful land use.
4. A lot of folks will tell you to offer to help with chores and this is fine. However, it is not as important to most landowners as you might think.
5. Expect a chilly reception initially. If you have a previous relation (like the insurance guy), then you are way ahead.
6. You can download a release from liability on the internet. You can sign it and offer it to the landowner if he/she is worried about being sued. PM me and I can send a blank one via email if you don't want to pay/download. A little bit of legal internet research can help here too. For example, it is not possible for a 'recreational land user' to sue a land owner in Virginia (where I live now).
7. Always carry a small, blank permission slip in your wallet/car - in case you unexpectedly meet a property owner at kid's school, church, etc.
8. The best way to get good at finding new properties is to do it.
9. Get familiar your county tax map system. Some use internet sites that are very simple to use for research landowner names, addresses etc. Don't overwhelm the landowner with how much info you know about him or his property. It's creepy.
10. In my opinion, finding new properties is an absolutely vital task just like accurate shooting, bow tuning, post-season scouting, meat care etc.
1. Gotta make your approach face-to-face! I have only been turned down a couple of times in 20 years and they were on the phone. Avoid first contact on the phone if at all possible.
2. Approach the owner that is most likely to say ‘yes’ first. Then, when you tackle the second guy, you can mention that his neighbor has already granted permission.
3. If you are turned down for permission to hunt, consider asking for permission to track and retrieve (very important for bowhunting) or even shed hunting or crossing the property for stealthy entrance/exit. Then, build a relationship based on trust and respectful land use.
4. A lot of folks will tell you to offer to help with chores and this is fine. However, it is not as important to most landowners as you might think.
5. Expect a chilly reception initially. If you have a previous relation (like the insurance guy), then you are way ahead.
6. You can download a release from liability on the internet. You can sign it and offer it to the landowner if he/she is worried about being sued. PM me and I can send a blank one via email if you don't want to pay/download. A little bit of legal internet research can help here too. For example, it is not possible for a 'recreational land user' to sue a land owner in Virginia (where I live now).
7. Always carry a small, blank permission slip in your wallet/car - in case you unexpectedly meet a property owner at kid's school, church, etc.
8. The best way to get good at finding new properties is to do it.
9. Get familiar your county tax map system. Some use internet sites that are very simple to use for research landowner names, addresses etc. Don't overwhelm the landowner with how much info you know about him or his property. It's creepy.
10. In my opinion, finding new properties is an absolutely vital task just like accurate shooting, bow tuning, post-season scouting, meat care etc.
