How many of those have you stuck in the guts? Cut off a foot? Nicked an ear? Is it any less ethical because its just a squirrel? Try and justify your 80 yard hail marys anyway you want, one thing I can gaurantee you is, you won' t be takeing them with me standing next to you. If you can' t sneek closer than 80 yards on a tree rat, you have no buisiness hunting deer.

Mac

Now you want to identify all the gauges on a B-52 bombing panel that allows precision bombing, and have set the required weather conditions for lift-off of the space shuttle to justify…now a 60-yard shot…and now high-powered rifles.

I do not care if everything was picture perfect, an 80-yard shot at a deer…even a squirrel, with an arrow is ridiculous. I do not care if you have determined the range with military exactness or how fast your arrow is flying. It is still an arrow you would be shooting… at the exact determined (long) distance. Arrows are trajectory prone and do not fly flat for great distances, regardless of the launch speed.

It is my opinion, you are selling " Snake Oil." You might get some to drink it, but not me. Regardless of all the better equipment, improved methods, and technology that presently exists in the bowhunting arena; shooting at a deer at 80-yards with an arrow is still not practical and is (recklessly) pushing the envelope.

Is it just me, or does anyone else smell smoke?

I have been Archery Hunting for over 25 years and constantly practice at all yardages up to 60. At so yards I shoot 1.5 inch patern constantly. I have shot one deer at 65 yards and all the others have been within 30 yards. I had one Whitetail Buck jump an arrow at 15 yards, he heard it coming..The 65 yard shot I made the deer did not see me or have any concern about anything in his area.. go figure....
Maybe out of sight.....out of mind......for the deer????

This is scary.... I like what Stickumup had to say.[8D] I don' t think I' ll try to improve on it.

MD - my limit is 40, I shoot 280 to 290 fps with 68lbs ke

Let me clarify - I have never taken a 40 but practice like the dickens at that yardage, for years - and can put up some great groups. I do hope I never take it, but will if the right shot presents itself. If I don' t get the results I feel I will, I may NEVER take it again. My longest was 35 - last year, and that seemed a mile to me.

Well over 20 bucks in about that many years and 90% have been under 30.
yes I hunt in the thick stuff so this will effect my average distance.

I am not judging ethics here. This is just from a diehard finatical bowhunter(much like the rest of us).......80yds is like to the moon when you are hunting whitetail.

I need to point something that is missing in this discussion. At 10 degrees Centigrade (50 degrees F.) and a humidity of 50% the speed of sound is approximately 337.8 meters per second or 1,108 feet per second. With even the most quiet bow and arrow combination, the arrow will get to the animal LONG after the sound and the animal' s reaction to it.

Shooting 125 squirrels a year, at distances up to eighty yards.

I would rather pay for Keith Richards heroin than macdaddys arrows!

Can you imagine how many arrows you would bust up doing that!


Sounds like a dog and pony show to me!

For some reason, in 33 years of bowhunting whitetails, it has never occurred to me, to shoot when a deer was 30 or 40 yards away. My longest shot has been 23 yards. I' ve also never lost a deer. That said, I don' t care what yardard other' s shoot at.

I don' t use a range finder. I don' t use a peep. My arrows are medium weight with fixed blades, although for most of my hunting years, my arrows were very heavy. Even so, my hunting setup is not the reason I limit myself to shorter ranges. I do it naturally. I believe I can lure the animal in closer if it appears to be headed away. I use a combination of scent, grunts, doe bleats or rattling, depending on the exact situation. Whenever a buck doesn' t come in close, I never think, " dang, I should have taken the shot farther out" . I always think, " what could I have done differently to have gotten it closer?"

I' ve always considered myself a hunter not a shooter. The hunts I remember most are the ones where the animal was closest. The elk at 12 yards with a recurve is forever fixed in my brain. A whitetail doe at 6' was an unbelieveable rush. I not even sure I would enjoy killing one at 40 or 50 yards. For me the hunt is everything and hunting is the art of getting close.

STRAIGHTARROW,THAT ABOUT SUMS IT UP FOR ME!

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