Bowtech, Hoyt, Mathews and all other bow brand owners.
 

There has been lots of "brand bashing" going on here for awhile and I know that some is all in good fun, but others have been kinda nasty.

I don't get it really, it all breaks down to this, all bows are weapons, and all are more than capable of killing almost ANY game you want to pursue. I don't think animals give a crap about what you or I are shooting.

You shoot a Bowtech, I shoot a Mathews, and he shoots a Hoyt, and so and so shoot Brand X. How in the hell does that affect ANY of us? Will it make us miss every time we draw back from here on out? No it won't.

ALL products have issues, always have always will. A bow may be perfect for 99 people but the 100th person may "have a problem" either justified or just a personal reason to dislike that certain bow.

This is a open forum, where we share in hunt success and failure, tips and suggestions. When it becomes personal I loose intrest and it creates a bad environment.

Sorry to "ramble" but when a post about a certain bow reaches the point that its locked due to whatever reasons, that throws a red flag for me, lets get back to talking hunting, showing pics, tips and suggestions.

I agree with ya early. I shoot anything. Mostly trad. But not sure if you notice, but there maybe is 3 new posts a day. Not really much going on, wheather its bashing, hunting, or whatever.

BC, I agree there is WAY less "talk" going on here compared to a few years ago. There are alot of "lookers" but hardly any participation, and I think alot of the newbies here are scared that if they post something they will get attacked, so they just read, and nothing else.

I didn't make that thread.:s2:

Oops, your right. I just got done reading your posts.:s13:

I second that big time. I haven't been here a long time or nothing like that but a lot of the time I'm trying to learn something from the posts that I do read, and everyone has it but if you have a question and you don't wanna look like an idiot... guess what..... your not gonna ask 9/10 times, which means that you haven't been able to get your problem solved or question answered. Its just no good. It reminds me of that Horn Hate/ Antler Envy post a while ago.

Ryan.

The problem is not with brand bashing but rather brand defending. I shoot bow X and if I should ever publish the cons regarding bow X, the bow X fannies will take it as an offence (I know, they think bow X's manufacturer is paying them or something) and will start bashing me, the poster of valuable information to my fellow consumers.

It's too bad that valuable information gets shot down because of fannies.

BTW, I shoot a Stilletto 380. It does have issues and it is not the best bow out there, but it works for me and that is all that matters.

Shoot what you like, period. I have two dif. brand name bows, both have thier ups and downs. Both harvest deer for me and both were under $500.00. A guy I know buys the latest big name bow every other year but never shoots a deer.
People get to involved in brand name..
None of the deer I have ever shot were to interested in what type of bow I was shooting..lol

One of the most insightful posts I have seen in a while.

Good post x.


Can't defend a bow without owning one from each other manufacturer to prove your impartial right?

Nothing against anyone that shoots a compound but some of you get way, way to personal about "your brand". You don't see traditional bow owners doing this. Actually never have I saw this ever and most of us are just as passionate about our bows as anyone else.

Speak for yourself!

If you ain't shootin' a 'curve.....you stink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:s2:

I agree, I love my bow and its a Mathews, does that mean I think it's better than any other bow out there? No, but it works for me. Does it mean I will advise every newbie that is in the market for a bow to buy what I shoot? No. I am not so "loyal" to my bow that I wallpaper my truck with Mathews stickers and have a Mister Rodgers wardrobe, where every shirt has a Mathews logo on it.

It's no different than the 50 threads per season we see on here about Rage broadheads, those get out of hand quick....and for what? It's simple, you put a freaking arrow in the kill zone, and I dont care if it's just a field tip, it's dead.

There is NO substitute for going to a bow shop or 2 and shooting ALL of the bows they carry and narrow down the list from what feels right to each individual.

True about most stickers. But one exception. Widowers. Go to the gang and type how you think widows are overpriced pieces of junk. See the reaction.:barmy:

Hahaha...I dont even shoot traditional or a recurve and know you are spot on with that.

Rages suck. :devil::popcorn::lmao::poke::cool:;)

Ryan.

Awesome post!!

lol have you seen some of mine..ask country i know he'll back me up lol

I agree. No, matter what we shoot we should all come together as one.

The problem isn't either. Chevy vs. Ford Vs. Dodge will always be argued.

The problem starts when people bash a product because of some imagined little flaw attempting to make it far bigger a problem than it is and when it is pointed out time and time again that it is proven to be user and/or shop error they can not accept that and get their panties in a wad and continue to make outlandish attempts to make said imagined flaw much much much bigger than it ever needed to be.

People want the company man up and either take care of the "imagined flaw" with some expensive recall or some public statement from the CEO of the company when it isn't warranted. But if the local reps that are in the loop about the same "imagined flaw" speak up and provide an explanation it isn't good enough?

Very well said

That can't be done by anyone here, not by a written description or pics (unless dry fired) alot of people think just because they use a bow, they are tech experts.

Yes there will always be "bashing" but it has gotten personal for some, that needs to be removed, there isnt a need to get that bent out of shape.

Thats total BS and you have to know it. There wouldn't have been over one page of debate on the destroyer thread if all the bowtech staff didn't jump on it. The last time I seen bowtech staff jump on a post so heavy was when there was a rumor of general blowing up across the country. Where did that lead people. I am glad I wasn't an owner of a general. You couldn't sell one for much now. I don't want one. I mean every forum on the net, bowtech staff is jumping up and down on it.

I mean what is wrong with showing a picture, informing everyone of somethign to look at, and let people make up thier own mind on if its a big deal. If its not a big deal, the stupid bow will sell itself. Its that freaking easy bulls. But no, every freakin bowtech staff in the country has go to indepth posts on how this is nothing.

Screw brand loyalty. If its imaginary, fine, people will shoot it and like it and buy it. The bowtech staff doens't have to push the thing so hard.

Its so obvious its sad. Any idiot can see it.

Question for you, how many pages would the destroyer thread gotten without the intervention of those associated with the company or those who sell diamond/bowtech products???

Another question. How many destroyers have you owned or sold? If the answer is none, then all your statements on here are BS and you don't know the truth anymore than we do.

I only recall one Bowtech staffer provide an explanation and it wasn't good enough.

Now you know as well as I do that isn't the way it works. People do searches on the net for information about a product and threads like the destroyer thread pop up in the first page of Google and this is what they read.

Couldn't tell ya. If you hired reps to promote your product and handle situations like this for a product that you manufacture would you expect them to provide an explanation or let people continue to make a big deal out of something that you know isn't?

Question for you. How many pages would the Destroyer thread have gotten if you would have looked at the information and explanation provided and said to yourself..... That makes sense, and left it at that and not made attempts to make a mountain out of mole hill?

None, but what does that matter? Do you not think that I have inspected this bow very closely? What I do know from shooting, pressing, taking apart and looking over in depth is that the explanation given is the truth.


I am telling it like it is as an outsider that has no reason what so ever to have a bias one way or the other. And that's the truth.

And....so was I.

This has been proven to not be the case on every BowTech thread I've seen. The correct answer is never good enough. Atlasman asked a question, the question was answered.

The next guy gets on the thread, reads the OP's post and no further and sticks his theory of cams slamming into the limbs which isn't true because he didn't read the post answering the question. Then the next guy does the same thing and so on, and so on, and so on. Each time it get's answered again, but it's not good enough because then come the bashers to fuel the fire. It happens every time and you've seen it time and time again. We, answer it, it get's challenged or ignored. We answer it again, and we get slammed as fan boys. You cannot fathom how many people I've helped through the forums. That's why the infrastructure is in place. Ever look and see who is behind every thread that keep getting pushed into the gutter. You'll see a pattern very quickly.


I wasn't part of that and quite frankly, don't remember it either. I had a General but it was my first year on the staff and I received it late. The fact still remains that it was very few Generals with an issue and yet BowTech stepped up and replaced limbs that weren't an issue. I shot mine with the original limbs until I gave it to a friend of mine who loves the bow. Twildasin loves his and I see them bought and sold regularly on several forums. But, that's not the issue here.

Sure would be nice if that's the way the internet works but alas, we know it doesn't. I think we've all been around long enough to know that.



I can promise you, without a proper explanation to those marks which was given to all of us by Matt, basher and haters would have had a field day degrading a issue that didn't exist and I'm not talking about the marks not being there, I'm talking about how they get there.

Take this thread already. The OP mentioned several bow brands and the thread has taken a turn that it doesn't need to go.

You won't ever see me bashing another bow manufacturer and I'd beg you to find one if you think that's not the case, on any forum. I think there a lot of fantastic bows out there today and if your into compounds, it's a fantastic time to be into them. If you take any bow, any manufacturer and slam it, your going to have staff, consumers and sometimes even owners of the company defending it. I asked a simple question on a Strothers thread and got slammed left and right and even called a name by Strothers himself. A post two down from mine asked a similar question and he got his answered. How do you feel about Kevin Strothers attacking members? How does HCH feel about that? I saw people defending him and those same people would slam a staffer from another company correcting rumors.

I work on all manufacturers here at my place. I don't care what brand it is. Two of my closest friends shoot a Hoyt and a Mathews and I've worked on both of them. I won't turn them away and I'll share the woods with me.

Everyone get's passionate about their goods. Even those slamming us for the same practice do the same as we but seem to forget that.

Well this car went off into the ditch in turn 2.

Did you expect it not to?

I read it, thought it was very good and held it's own however, I've been around enough to know better. Great intention though. :party0005:

Go ahead Rob...throw the old paddlock around it...Im done with it.:happy0157:

Very well said!

Take AT's thread for example, Matt / PA, direct from the company gave the answer. You would have thought the thread would have ended there.

Actually, atlasman got his concern answered on BH.C by Rick James.... Then, atlasman took it to AT where it got piled upon by those looking for flaw and Matt / PA answered them. You would have thought that would have been where it would have ended. :s13:

Okay sir. Hopefully most will read your intention and take it to heart.