Just how long do you beat a dead horse before it is buried, or left for the buzzaeds?
Does the scrach hurt the bows shooting?
I don't know.
I just know this subject is getting old.
And I don't get anything from Hoyt, or any one else.
Lets just go on to something else to talk about.
O.K.

Thank You

jrbsr

Hardcore, do you really think bowtech would release bows with cams that rub the limbs while shooting the bow? Do you really think that? I doubt that they would.

Bow companies release products all of the time with faults. I was eying this bow as a possible purchase, but I will hold off on purchasing this year, to see how the problem is remedied next year.

Hey hardcore, did you know that if you over rotate many Mathews cams (some of which you probably own) when they are in a press the cams will produce the same scratches on the inside of the limbs and in fact can gouge the inside of the limb?

Want to also start a Mathews bashing thread with out having any first hand experience?

Gonna hold off a year or two on buying a Mathews also?

Yes they would. They sent out a bunch of guardians and commanders that rubbed the cable so badly, they had to replace the limbs. And I got one. Some rubbed so badly, it ate thru the serving. And bowtech refused to cover the cable. Don't be naive.

Here is what we do at our company. We hold the QA specialist responsible. Each product is inspected the QA engineer's name is attached to it. Each out of bow failure, or field failure has to have a failure analysis by a separate group, who audits the QA department. Thier job is to point fingers. And they do it well. In this economy it behooves one to do thier job to thier fullest.

Before a bow leaves a factory, it should be full drawn with 32" cams, 29" cams and whatever is thier lowest and ensure no rubbing, or cam lean. It should be test shot. It should be tested for cam lean and timing. For the 9bills they are asking all should be top notch. This isn't a 300dollar bear here.

Basher??? Pointing out a thread from guys that are having issues with scratched limbs on their and pro shops new $900 Destroyers, so that people that work hard for their $$ are educated that there may be potential problems?? Take the info or leave it. Buy a Destroyer or don't...your choice. Why do you care what I or anyone else has disclosed negatively about these bows?? I guess that bringing an issue to the public, and educating archers is bashing, according to you, and a few of the guys that the sales of Bowtechs influence their pocketbook. Some of us like to know about issues, as we work hard for our money. $900 for a Destroyer is a lot of money. Most of the experienced archers all agree, that Bowtech needs to address the issue. Like I stated, I will bet that this issue won't show up on next years Bowtech bows. You can call me a basher a year from now, if the issue isn't addressed on next years' Bowtechs.
My last Bowtech issue that I , and many had an issue with(bashed as you call it), was the roller guide/string suppressor, all at the same location, such as was on my 08 82nd Airborne. Since many of us "Bashed" as you call it, about this issue, the 09 and 10 lineup, changed the location of the string stopper, to where we wanted it. I changed mine on my own, and made mine look like an 09 on my own. Now, experienced archers, wanting a used 82nd Airborne, prefer the 09 model over the 08, as the poor engineering of the string stopper location on the 08 isn't as desirable. I look at bow purchases this way. Bowtech followed suit that following year. Archers helping archers. The squeaky wheel gets the product better.

I have never owned a Mathews bow. None of them have tripped my trigger.

Myself, I think it is healthy to discuss possible issues with new or old bows. No matter if the problem is real, imaginary or just some guys who worries about nothing.

I see no harm is discussing it. As a person who will be buying a new top of the line bow this year, I encourage it for all vendors. Espeically hoyt, bowtech, and mathews. I mean in the end, it only helps the consumer. Brand loyalty does not help the consumer. I have bought bowtech because they were always ahead in thier designs. Always innovative. And maybe they are with this funky cam. Only time will tell.

I never understood a person who would wear a bowtech shirt, or a mathews hat without the company paying them. I know for me, I would not to put a bowtech sticker on the back of my truck unless bowtech paid me. Or people who are so brand loyal that posts like this hurts thier feelings.

Well put BC.

I also like to hear about this stuff.. After all as already mentioned if I wanted to pay that kind of money for a new bow I surely wouldn't want it to be scratched up. Before I shoot it or even after I shoot it doesn't make any difference. I wouldn't want it scratched until I had my chance to hunt with it and then it would be surely my fault and not someone elses.. New is new and if I wanted to get one scratched I would take a chance and by one used.. So to me this stuff is important to know about..

Phil, I fully and honestly agree with you 100%. And in this instance, the question/issue is fully addressed that if your interested in a BowTech Destroyer that possibly you may purchase one that has a very small mark on the inside of the V that is caused by an over rotation of the cam at rest, in a press by either a proshop owner, individual or factory assembler that has ZERO bearing on the performance of the bow. The mark is so small that you have to intentionally look for it to know it's there. It is not there because of performance, it is not there because of shot execution but it may very well be there. It's about a 1/32" inch in width or smaller and maybe a 1/8" in length and is nothing more than cosmetic. With this mark, that may or may not be there, you will get a bow that is beyond amazing in execution with some very impressive tight tolerances which need not to be concerned with because it is by design. The bow will shoot exceptionally, hold steady, be shock free and put out impressive speeds but again, this mark, this tiny, little mar in the finish that you may need a magnifying glass to see, may be there. So beware. :biggrin: I only wish all my current bows only had such a small mark from every day use.


Big Country, there is no damage control, there is truths that no one seems to want to accept for some agenda oriented reasons. Nothing more. And I type/speak more here as an administrator than I do a fanboy. Somethings are just common sense.

Can we move on now? :popcorn: