Jeff, Failed to see I was looking for anything. Just stated my Opinion. Sorry if you don't feel I have a right to it. I shoot all the Bows I can get a hold of every year and for good reason. I want to make sure I am shooting the Best bow for Me. I don't care what brand it is.

I shoot what I want and it would cost me No more, probably less to shoot a Mathews or Hoyt.

My Choice now and has been for several years is BowTech. I have probably owned more Bows in 41 years than you have shot;)

Dan

You're just being antagonistic, Dan. I've never said or implied otherwise. You're entitled to your opinion, like anyone else. But when they're rarely complimentary of your competitor's products (or their customers), it just (IMO) gets a little old. I'm entitled to my opinion, also.

Dan...the SOLE arbiter of what determines a "trophy" is the hunter who killed it. If you're happy with those critters, I'll congratulate you, sincerely.

Gee. Since you said that.....that changes everything....lol.

Me to....and the sling shot thing is awesome. :cool2:

Sorry Jeff! I know you would Not intentionally imply that my opinion means nothing:rolleye0011:

As far as my experience compared to yours? Well you're right............................there is none.

I'm glad you are thinking of getting back into compounds otherwise I know this subject wouldn't interest you;)

As far as running down a product? Just because you recommend one or have an opinion that one works better or is better for Me does Not mean I am running the other product down.

It's Truly Amazing! Guess I'll punch the ITI button again:p

Dan

Are you okay with Kevin attacking members on AT who ask questions on his bows Don?

Many posted on the Strothers bow thread that they will NEVER buy a Strothers for the unprofessional way he attacks people. Does that sit okay with you?

Never said it meant "nothing". Did I imply it might be "jaded"? Sure. I'd listen to Andy Pettit's opinion on the Red Sox, too. But I'd expect it to be heavily jaded (read - Pro-Yankees), and weigh it, accordingly. I don't expect you to say anything resoundingly positive about a competitor's product....any more than I expect you to say anything negative about it (or their customers). Professionalism and common courtesy in business is good business.

Why you feel the incessant need to post things like the above is beyond me. It's completely irrelevant in this (or any) discussion. Ad hominem attacks are tactics people utilize when their points have little to no merit.

IF he did this, it would change how I feel about his (or any) company. HUGE emphasis on "IF".

But even if he did....

It rings a little hollow when you're standing behind a goat....with your underwear and pants bunched up around your ankles to be screaming.....

....."Hey look.....the other guy's boinkin' a goat"!

Jeff, If you think my opinion is jaded you have a right to think what you want, but............................................... .

You are Wrong! I know you can read! Is Comprehension the Problem?

Like I said I shoot what's Best for me and that is and has been BowTech since 03. If I get my hands on something I feel is better then you can bet what I am shooting will be changing. $$, benefits, whatever has No more to do with my decisions than it does anyone else. Less than most on the forums actually do the position I am in!

Dan

What was the name of this thread, again?

How did we get "here"? What are some posters doing "here"? And was it necessary?

It's still in black and white and easy to find but I'll be damn'd if I could find anywhere where this question was even directed at you.

Rob:

It's located right below Hardcore's invitation to you to join his thread on Strothers Archery.

Rob:

What was your intention in saying what you did (bolded)? Was this a Bowtech thread on AT?

Um, as an administrator here on HNI, I have a reason to view threads where there is controversy as well as does every mod here and when I see a repeating trend, it's also necessary. So my question remains.

Edit: And alias will not be tolerated. You know who you are.

Go back and decipher where the "controversy" entered this thread. It won't be a hard task.

Hint: It's comparable to when the "controversy" entered the AT Strothers thread.

Two honest questions, both of which were answered professionally from a staff member of Strothers and to whom I thanks very profoundly.

What's your point?

Here, it's when you entered the thread, the second time.

There, it's when Kevin himself attacked an honest question. One that I might add could take the stance of HCH's buyer beware thread, trying to help the future consumers. The phone number is now on the website. ;-)

Dan said nothing controversial. HCH jumped on the staff. I asked Don, not you a question. You can politely hit the back button. It's nice of you to team with Don but he's a big boy, he can speak for himself.

My only dealings with Kevin have been all top notch. Let me relate one that really comes to mind. I bought a new 06 E-500 Elite this last Dec at a Scheels in Des Moines, IA. I then joined the Elite forum and was pleasantly surprised to hear that I had bought what many consider, one of, if not, the best Elites ever made. Basically a cadillac version of the 06 Allegiance(side plates, barnsdale limbs, Winners Choice string)..Elites speed bow for 2006. Now for the rest of the story. I needed 29" mods for this bow, and mods were hard to come by according to Scheels, for this year of bow. I sent Kevin a PM, and he said he would take care of me. He then sent to me the next day, mods and screws, addressed with his own handwriting, his name, and Washington State address. Finally Scheels got around to getting me a set too, but Kevin was right on it. He gets on the forum and actually discusses archery with us, questions we have on bows, and whatever. I posted a pick of an 06 Elite E-Force I bought sight unseen from a dealer in IL for a steal this year. The guy is so good, he looked at the pic and immediately said the cables were crossed, evidentially from the dealer, as the dealer had changed the draw length mods from the original ones. The bow shot fine, and no one would have probably ever caught this. The guy knows archery and is considered by many as a genius in the field.
Now, as far as Kevin attacking members on AT for posting questions on AT, I can only assume that Kevin attacked them, as they attacked him 1st. I don't know anything about this, and he hasn't ever attacked me. Human nature to defend yourself, especially from keyboard idiots that know nothing about you, your life, or who you are. People are always jealous of successful people. Like I said, nothing but professional behavior from him to me, and he knows how to make a top of a line bow.

Good enough answer Don. keep that in mind. I'm happy your happy with the bows. I know he makes an exceptional bow. The Predator camo does rock!

Wow!
 

First let me say I am not attacking anyone for their comments! I just want to say from someone with a different look!

1. KEVIN WAS FIRED FROM BT: Yes he was, I worked for BT at the time 2000-2008. But Do anyone besides John S. and Kevin know what was said behind the closed doors, No. I hear alot of the stuff from the higher ups there, and at one point I can understand, but was there alternatives, Sure there was. Did he do something so detrimental to Bowtech that hurt them, No... But it is what it is! The good thing for all of us Bowhunters is that it created now 2 more Bow companies with a quality bow to chose from! Bowtech is what it is BECAUSE of Kevins designs, they have moved on and brought on new competent designers and are continuing to put out a quality bow! Elite, another Quality Bow company because of Kevin, So I have faith that Strother Archery will also provide Quality Bows for all of us interested in his line!

2. NOT GOING TO DRIVE 200 MILES TO TEST A SA BOW: That is fine, they are a new company and with the economy the way it is today I understand dealer being cautious with where they spend their money! That will probably change alot once the ATA is over and dealers and reps get to shoot a SA Bow. Bowtech wasn't in driving distance to everyone when they first started either! Hopefully a proshop near you gets one in for you to test before anyone can make a true statement about a item they must test it!

3. DIPPING YOUR BOW IN MOST CASES VOIDS THE WARRANTY: That is a incorrect statement! Since no bow company warranties the camo due to wear! The only cases I have seen is when a customer dips their cams will it effect the warranty due to the risk of the string jumping the tracking and causing damage to the limbs or cams for the string jumping the track and seizing the bow! Please if you can PROVE any bow manufacture that will Void the warranty due to having the bow (riser, pocket and limbs) dipped let me know so I can let customers know if they call me to redip their X brand bow!

With this being said I wish you all shoot the bow that makes YOU the happiest!!! But test alot of them before you buy because NEVER have archery customers had so many great options available to us!!!!

First, welcome to the forums.

Second, excellent post and I concur 100%. I've said it before, it's a wonderful time to get into archery. Bows are more and more amazing every year and that's why most are doing well.

Third. I hope to read more from you. again, welcome.

Welcome OH!! I hope to see you around on here a lot.:happy0001:

Dan

Seriously? I keep hoping the bell will ring.....and you'll see how (at least the highlighted portion) is FAR from just an "honest question". What follows after the highlighted portion drew the goat boinkin' reference.

How would learning the answers to those questions help you? Why do they (the answers) concern you? What were you hoping to gain in learning the answers?

The thing you guys either: 1. Don't realize....or 2. Don't care about....is you represent (both of you) a bow manufacturing company....and (1 of you) an internet website (as an administrator). Whether you like it or not, you signed up for....and are held to a higher standard of conduct than the general hunting public (forum members).

The sooner you guys realize this......the less harm will be done to your (Bowtech's, as a company....and your own, personally) names in similar threads.

The point is....there really WAS no bashing in this thread. No negativity. Nothing to be alarmed about (as a representative of Bowtech OR as a forum administrator). Nothing to see, here.....move along!

Welcome OH!! Now, this would be a great time to actually hear from some Bowtech corporate advisers and concur that what OH says is gospel with Bowtech. I would have thought that if dipping didn't void a Bowtech warranty, as much as you guys like to find error in everything I post, you would have corrected me. Especially Mean V, being a corporate Bowtech adviser and an avid bow dipper. OH, It has been commonly accepted for years, that dipping voids a warranty,and doing a search, one can find many posts stating it will. I have never heard it from an actual dipper before, so thanks for posting. Here are some links. The 1st one I post, the 2nd post, the guy says he just called Hoyt and they said it does void the warranty. These are just a few of the many posts about dipping and warranty.
http://www.archerytalk.com
/vb/showthread.php?t=1058312&highlight=will+bow+dip+vo id+warranty%3F


http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showth...iding+warranty

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showth...iding+warranty

Don, I honestly don't know and I don't care once I buy a bow it's mine and I'll do what I want with it. I have had companies tell me that changing the grip voided the warranty. You think that stopped me?:guiness:

You know how many times I've used a Bows warranty in 41 years?

If that's important to anyone then they should get specific answers from their dealer, who can contact the specific company. That way you will know for sure.:)

Dan

Can't we ALL just shoot a Mathews and get along?? :) LOL I kid... I kid.

Thank you for posting those links, the only thing I still want to see is a MANUFACTURE say that it does in public writing! Here is a copy of the post I just put up on AT in response to one of those post where someone said repainting your bow would void the warranty just like putting nitrous on a camaro!

Now that is comparing Apples to Oranges! Paint a Bow vs adding nitrous to a car! Lets get this in alittle more perspective! If I had a Bow Dipped due to the old camo wearing off or wanted a new look and they refused to fix something on their bow due to manufacturing defect, I would sue them till they were red in the face just like I would sue a car manufacture for telling me since I painted my car the bad heads they put on them are no longer covered! Get real guys if these companies are going to Void our warranties on our bows because you chose to paint them which will cause NO structural changes in their substrates then someone needs to start challenging these companies with lawsuits because they are taking our rights away to do this! Now if you were putting BRAND A bow parts on BRAND B then I can understand the ALTERING of the original equiptment! How is it they can tell us we can't paint/dip our bows when in their owners manual they STATE that they don't cover the CAMO to start!

I agree Dan, but people could even bypass the dealer and google the name of bow they shoot, and contact the company, and get all warranty questions straight from the horses mouth.

Maybe!:D but it would be worth a try. Like I said I've had companies tell me it void the warranty to change grips.

Come On!! That's crazy:confused0024:

Dan

ATA show and Strother bows being shot.:woot::party0005:


http://strotherarchery.com/forum/ind...tid=5&id=21589

So can any one answer this.

Why is Kevin no longer with Elite?

You know this has always intrigued me. Ever since this "kevin" came on here, its been an ongoing soap opera. I don't know kevin, and don't really care to know him. I know he's a bow engineer, and know his history. But why are people so wrapped up with this soap opera? Especially hunters. I can see my wife getting into this.

I have watched all the bowtech staff do thier regular spin, saying he is a jerk, he is nasty, he is this and that. I don't care honestly. He could be mean to kittens and puppys at night and call them names for all I care. I have even seen bowtech influence thier dealers.

Just when you asked this, it came to mind.

I don't and doubt I will ever have the answer to that qeustion bulls, just your post got me thinking.

Me too BC, I could care less, but then again I don't read the Enquirer either. Man, these bows are sure looking good in the videos. That 4th video posted, the guy admits at the end he is a Mathews shooter, and he looks spellbound over the Strother bow. The SR-71 is their speed bow, 350 plus fps, and watch the guys that are shooting this bow draw it. Looks very smooth, with no irritating hump at the end, like my 82nd Airborne had. The bows these guys are shooting are bare bows, with nothing added on to them. Looks like Kevin has done it again. :happy0001:
They are now offering what they call is the "Storm package." These are the bows that don't have the black cams in the videos.

LMAO!! Can you say soap central???? You guys are all something!!

LOL! That's great!

Actually I would like to shoot one of these. Not sure why. i really don't need another compound.

I would like to see if they are as quiet as say a commander or sentinel.

After watching the videos from the ATA show I am for sure going to shoot these bows. They sure are quiet! I see they have one with over a 8'' bh that IBOs 325.

I don't have a dog in this fight,I never even heard of elite or strother or kevin before reading these threads.Only dealers around here are mainly,mathews,hoyts,pse,bowtech amd diamamnds with a few martins thrown in the mix.I have shot pse'e,mathews and currently a bowtech and have loved them all at the time I was shooting them,my pocket book just can't keep up with all the new technology abd changes these bow companies are making now,I mean I would love to be able and go out and purchase a top bow from each company out there but wow that would bankrupt me,I think i will stick to my commander for now,it is only 2 years old and already discontinued and outdated.Just think you guys will fighting about this all over again in 8 months when the new modals hit and i will still be shooting my sweet shooting commander with a little cash in my pocket.

So I guess no one knows why he is no longer with Elite.

It seems odd to me that someone with his alleged expertise would co-found one successful bow company and get fired, found / co-found another successful bow company with his wife and no longer be with that company for what ever reason, and found / co-found yet a third bow company. Will he found another bow company in another three or four years?

I can't help but think to myself that his involvement with these three bow companies is a kin to a person going through several marriages and none of them working. Just like multiple failed marriages I am betting that there is a common denominator.

WTF does a man's home life have to do with ANYTHING on a hunting forum.....or with his business ventures?

If you know anything about business, you'll know that some of the world's greatest business minds and successes headed failed ventures....and were fired or bankrupt several times before achieving their ultimate notoriety.

That being said, I'm trying to figure out which of his former ventures you'd view as a "failure"?????????

I don't have a dog in this fight. But some of this crap is pure lunacy!

I wasn't talking about his home life at all. You didn't get the point of the comparison. The comparison was failed marriages in general with one person being the ultimate cause of the failed marriages in each.

I didn't say any of the previous companies were a failure. Quite to the contrary, Bowtech and Elite are definitely successful companies and we are dealers of both between the two stores. Bowtech and Elite at one and Elite at the other.

I am wondering if there is a common theme (him) to the multiple bow companies he has helped start and their subsequent parting of ways. Seems to me that it would be counter productive to create you own competition over and over and over. My opinion is that it is far more likely that each company got sick and tired of something about him and told him to GTFO.

Will we see another rendition of Bowtech, Elite, Strother in a few years called Kate Archery?

Why does anyone care? Honest question.

That's the best quote of the thread!!:biggrin:

Seriously, I like the look of the new Strother bows although they are all (Bowtech, Elite, Strother) starting to look the same, I guess there's a pretty good reason for that though.

The only thing I really don't like (besides the fact it's not a single cam bow) is the short brace height. IMO it's not at all conducive to a good hunting bow.

P.S. camo patterns (camo at all for that matter) are highly overrated and not needed.