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kwaldeier 10-08-2009 05:59 PM

Fish tailing??
 
i was out shooting my new st axis arrows and it seems like the fly off to the left and come right back to where im aiming every once in awhile....other times its spot on...what could be causing this fish tailing?? what is that telling me about my form and how do i fix this problem? btw the st axis are great arrows...just waiting on the lumenok!

djdkman 10-08-2009 06:15 PM

maybe too weak a arrow spine or too much draw weight

blakefrautschi 10-08-2009 06:16 PM

under spinned arrow? have someone stand behind you and look.... sometimes i just think my arrows arn't flying right, but its just me worrying too much

rh160kid 10-08-2009 06:23 PM

Did you check to make sure they were the correct spine for your setup. Time to take it to the bow shop and paper tune if the arrows are the right spine. are you shooting field points or b heads??? If you are shooting broadheads are the fletches smaller than on your old arrows? maybe the broadhead is causing the planing/fishtail...we need more info to help you.

djdkman 10-08-2009 06:40 PM

Yes, “SPINE”…... (think Alum arrows we called it wall thickness) anyway, if it’s not enough to absorb the kinetic energy from the string it will BOW when shot....so, just a guess from the information provided in original question.

mauser06 10-08-2009 07:11 PM

if the arrows are spined right, then it could possibly be a form error if you say you only see it once in a while...

but could very well be a tune issue with the bow..

id look at the spine first and make sure its on...after that tune the setup with a walkback or bareshaft or broadhead tune...then if you cant get it to tune and your spine is good, its likely form...

kwaldeier 10-08-2009 07:32 PM

the spines that i have are 500...everyone on here and the chart for easton arrows said 500...50 lb pull and 28 inch arrows...i am shooting BH and i think the fletching is tinier by just a hair...im not sure what other info to give you guys :s9:

DeerandbearhoG 10-08-2009 07:48 PM

Mabye shooting form,or torque, that sometimes happens if i touch the front of the riser at full draw too hard, or if I accidentally touch the release w/ my thumb when I pull the trigger.

kwaldeier 10-08-2009 08:11 PM

im not sure about my thumb....i will have to watch out for that...like i said sometimes its spot on and other times it fish tails....

djdkman 10-08-2009 08:13 PM

are your broadheads and fletching/vanes lined up?

kwaldeier 10-08-2009 08:16 PM

that affects the arrows path if they are not aligned?? i dont think they are...and if not how do i align them...cuz i cant change the nock or the insert placement...

kwaldeier 10-09-2009 05:38 PM

hello? any help with aligning the BH and the fletching...

gmil6184 10-10-2009 03:35 PM

The broadhead blades and fletching don't have to be lined up...I've always heard that lining them up was an old wives tail

WV Hunter 10-10-2009 04:56 PM

Fishtailing can be caused by spine or centershot, in addition to torque. Don't worry about lining up your fletchings with bh's, that doesn't make any difference. If you are spined correctly, I'd make minor adjustments to your centershot and see how it does.

Do your field points shoot with your broadheads? Have you shot through paper to see what it looks like? What rest are you shooting...and how long are your arrows?

kwaldeier 10-10-2009 05:03 PM

i have thought it was the rest as well...i have not stated before but its a whisker biscuit...i think the "diameter" of the biscuit is too big...would this affect?? i just got new arrows with a much smaller diameter...my arrows are 28 inches long and no i have not shot through paper...

WV Hunter 10-11-2009 06:40 AM

You are fine on the bigger hole on the WB. Better big than too tight. I shoot a large hole with carbons, works great. Sounds like your arrow spine is probably ok too. My first step would be to shoot through paper and see what kind of tears you are getting. Try a fp tipped shaft first, and try to be consistent on your form. Don't grab the bow, etc. That will tell you what your arrow is doing. I usually shoot about 6-8 ft away at first, and once I get a good tear...back a little further also to see what it is doing - maybe 12 ft. My guess is you need to move your rest left or right a tad (make very small adjustments when you do). Once you have a "good" tear on paper (doesn't necc have to be perfect), shoot at 20yds and see how it looks. You may need to adjust your site. Also, shoot fp's and bh's at 20yds and see where they hit. Then broadhead tune and you should be good to go.


Here is a link to Eastons bow tuning guide. Great stuff in there.

http://www.eastonarchery.com/pdf/tuning_guide.pdf


Here is a link to broadhead tuning if you don't know how.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=539460



Hope this helps. :biggrin:

Rob/PA Bowyer 10-11-2009 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by djdkman (Post 3468248)
are your broadheads and fletching/vanes lined up?

They don't have to be. That is total myth.

Most likely bow torque.


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