ultimate 3d rig
 

I was shooting my hunting bow (70# airborne101) and my target bow (60# airborne101) today and was a bit disappointed with my grouping difference at distance. The 25 knot wind was partially to blaim. Anyhow, this brings up a good question, I really do not think that the best 3D rig is the most expensive. Here would be my rig:

• bowtech 101 airborne 70# set at 64#s
• sure lok sight
• 2" scope with 0.019 fiber and 4x lens (might have to modify an HHA to get that diameter, best that I can find is 1.75")
• 10" fuse stabilizer
• limbdriver rest
• 350 grain arrows (too many choices)

Yeah, I know that this would not meet IBO or ASA. Just thinking of a perfect rig (fast, flat, quick drop away, large view, light). What are your thoughts and why?

Either the BT Constitution.....or one of the Hoyt or Mathews longer ATA bows.

It wouldn't be anything under 7-1/2" BH or under 40" ATA.

I use a Mathews Prestige for my 3D rig and I've been 100% pleased with it.

If i was shooting 3d for fun and had no speed regulations, i would say i HCA Iron Mace. with thier Speed pros. I mean, 400 FPS with little KE is good for something.
thos bows shoot real sweet.

I concur, I shoot my 101 at 63 lbs with a 331 grain arrow for my 3d setup. I love it.

Yes, with rules set aside. I will have to look into that bow. It has to be one hell of a pull to get that kind of speed.

There isn't an organization that will allow speed pros to be shot that I am aware of.They are below the 5gr rule for IBO and will put you above the 280 rule for ASA.

So they are pretty much useless for 3-d.


The Pros winning in the ASA and IBO are not using "speed" bows.They are using long a-a bows with forgiving riser designs and decent brace heights.

Although,Tom Crowe a senior pro did just pull out a win with a Monster.

i just us my hunting rig

The difference between the guys using 3D specific rigs and guys using hunting setups (for competitive 3D) is typically (in my expericence) about 5 spots in the final scoring.

Can you shoot 3D and have a great time....and be "competitive"? Sure. Are you gonna be a perennial contender with a hunting rig? I don't think so. Not around here, anyways.

Competitive 3D and hunting are 2 different animals.

Do I know some guys who shoot their hunting rigs and win? Yep. Few and far between, though.

Agreed

It is just a matter of what you want to achieve and what you are doing it for.

BUT,a "target" bow is not going to make you a winner.You must posses that ability first.Although,a target bow will give you a few points that might mean the difference in 5th and 1rst.

Another big factor in the "target" v. "hunting" setups is.......arrow choice. I don't see too many guys winning 3D tournaments....shooting "hunting" arrows. Today's "fat" shafts give competitive 3D archers additional points. It's undeniable.

Like the others said, at most tournaments, you arent going to see the guys with the top of the line hunting rigs winning the shoots. ESPECIALLY in indoor shooting, but thats a whole other animal.

I would say anything in the 37"ATA up range, and minimum 7" bh is the best setups for 3d...

There are a few guys around here that shoot IBO and ASA using the 101st. One of them is doing very well with his, and has been pulling out some top 10 finishes in the big tournaments, and winning/placing in the local ones.

Most guys that can shoot tho, can shoot, and thats all there is to it... The 3d rig, like TFOX said may buy some points, but if they brought out there hunting rig, they would still be good...

There are people like Tom Crowe that are basically machines too. He was using the 5" bh Monster XLR8 pulling 80#'s shooting 2712's with HEAVY points(like 220-300gr. tips). The combination of HUGE arrows and the ability to shoot them at the 280fps ASA limit were undeniably an advantage. Most people wont be able to do that though lol;)

Hence the all rules aside :D they really are pretty nice shooting bows, and i dont mind the the draw cycle on em, way friendlier than say the X-force or Monster.
It would be a fun bow for the local walk 3d course

Ive been using my hunting rig for years, and even tho on the shots that are really far away like 50 yards they might beat me but 40 and down i usually d really well. last year i was shooting in the 320s or around there and most guys with full 3d rigs were around there also. sometimes its not about the set up, somtimes its how good u can shot with wha u have. Now if i had a 3d rig yea i might do better, but im in collage and i cant afford that. But i will keep with my 3d rig for now. But i have been to a competive tournament and i could c y a 3d rig might help with the scopes helping make the target look closer

The new fat shafts irritate me. In the indoor league in the winter, where everyone is pretty much jumbled together, it gets frustrating competing with guys throwing sewer pipes down there when i'm using my FMJs. I know, I can change my arrows too, but come on, how much more of an advantage is needed really?

Indoors they are a huge advantage.Small x rings and touching the line might be the difference in winning and losing.Plus you shoot a bunch of arrows.Puts odds in your favor.

Outdoors with center x ring and 11's aren't in play,they are very little to no advantage.Slight advantage when 11's are in play.

ASA corner 12's,they are a noticable advantage.Miss a line and it could cost you 4 points.


The problem is they are never the advantage that most feel they are.A fat shaft only gives you half of it's shaft diameter difference.The other half is on the other side of the arrow.:s2:

I have found for me,because I used low energy setups outside that at distance,I lost accuracy.It takes a little energy to have good flight at distance.I would have to build them with higher foc and more vane and by that time,I lost too much speed.

I found a small diameter shaft actually gave me a few more points because of sheer accuracy.

I have also seen woman pros shooting A/C/E's in 3-d for the same reasons.

Even some men in IBO still use ACC's or similar shafts for the center 11 game where more distance is the norm.

you could get a half dozen used 2712's or 2613's built with tips for about 50bucks off of AT. Those are the two biggest arrows made...

THey really are an advantage indoors for the guys that shoot 300's EVERYTIME. Those are the guys that are really in competition, and EVERY X that you can get is needed. In a large 5spot competition one X can win.

Derek

yea most of the time i got beat this year by one x