I've read a lot of people more knowledgeable than me about archery argue this point back & forth over the years.
My opinion is that a loop changes your anchor not your draw length. If you refuse to change your anchor, then yes your draw length changes.

A loop will NOT change your draw length...it will however effect your anchor point.

Shoot without a loop and your draw length is longer.So HOW can a loop NOT affect your draw length? I have shot both,28 1/2" with a short loop and a 28" with a long loop.Both are correct for me and I hit all my anchors but for outdoor shooting and hunting,the 28" is more comfortable.If I were to shoot indoor,the 28 1/2" would be more comfortable.

Seems to me those that say your draw length isn't affected by a loop have NEVER shot without one.Try fingers,does that not change your draw length as well?

I do agree that your anchors change with a loop,not arguning that at all.I totally agree 100%,the only thing I dispute is your draw length can and does vary dependant upon the equipment and loop length.

28 1/2" with a short loop.Please forgive the double set.I have really gotten better with that.



28" with a short loop,definately too short.The bow shoulder is riding up and release elbow isn't back far enough.




28" with long loop,great for hunting and 3-d

I put this in the same category as leaning back as a sign of draw length being too long.Leaning back is leaning back.Draw length is independant of that.They both go under internet myths.:kt:

Most would be very well served spending some time with actuall coaches.Much can be learned on the net but to really get down to the "nuts and bolts" of it,you need one on one instruction by qualified instructors.

I guess the issue is what is the definition of draw length then. To me draw length is the distance from the front of the shelf to string at full draw. I believe that is what most would say. Draw length is not from the front of the shelf to the back of the d-loop. Am I wrong on that?

Back to your first paragraph in the quote, what I am saying is that if you are a 28" draw and you lengthen to 28.5" inches you are at the least changing the angle of your face away from the target and therefore diminishing your optimal sight picture. By maintaining the same draw length (shelf to string at full draw), you develop a consistent sight picture regardless of how long or short your loop is. From that point you customize your loop length to suit your anchor.

Draw length is a combination of all things relevant.The bows draw length does not change with a loop but the shooters draw length does.The shooters draw length is the ONLY THING that matters.The bow doesn't care.:s3:


Look at the videos and tell me where my sight picture changes.

The key are anchors,you have that figured out.Anchors can be adjusted up and down as well as forward and back.


The first video is where the coach had me.I later found I liked the shorter draw length for outdoors.BUT,the longer is still "correct" and preferred for indoors.

Technically,this is incorrect,although Mathews did say this for a while,maybe they still do.The AMO draw length is from the deepest part of the grip to the nocking point of the arrow on the string,EVEN with berger hole at full draw PLUS 1 3/4"

Todd's saved me a lot of typing over the last couple years; I used to have to try to explain everything he did -- now I just let him do all the hard work! :cool2: