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#62
Crossbow, locked in position, ready to pull the trigger. Recurve, longbow, compound bow..all drawn before shooting. A crossbow is a short distance version of a rifle. Nothing against handicapped persons using them though.
All in all, some sort of rules or limits must be set. Unfortunately for some, the crossbow falls under that category in most states. For example we could say that anyone wanting to use a spear, baseball, rock, blowgun, hand grenade, bazooka, etc. should be allowed. Just as in most states anything smaller than a 20 gauge shotgun is illegal to deer hunt with. Or anything smaller than a 45 caliber muzzleloader is illegal in many states.
Edited by - Cougar Mag on 01/28/2002 23:09:34
All in all, some sort of rules or limits must be set. Unfortunately for some, the crossbow falls under that category in most states. For example we could say that anyone wanting to use a spear, baseball, rock, blowgun, hand grenade, bazooka, etc. should be allowed. Just as in most states anything smaller than a 20 gauge shotgun is illegal to deer hunt with. Or anything smaller than a 45 caliber muzzleloader is illegal in many states.
Edited by - Cougar Mag on 01/28/2002 23:09:34
#64
Nontypical Buck
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From: Little Egg harbor NJ
ArthurP, I didn't think of it that way till you posted it but I guess it is. I have nothing bad to say about them and they are more like bows than a gun. Give me a break. It shoots a bolt which is a short arrow has a broadhead to do the killing. there is no explosive at all no primer no brass no gun powder (imr 7828 H1000 RL22 ) So no one here will convince me that they are rifles. Its just a funny looking bow. That you don't have to draw at the moment of truth.
So Arthur does that make more sense to you about where I stand.
Brian
So Arthur does that make more sense to you about where I stand.
Brian
#65
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From: Wakeman Ohio
God I'm Glad I live In OHIO Where A HUNTER can make a choice in the Hunting TOOL he or she CAN USE. Be it Compound or Crossbow.
For me I have very little movement in my draw with my Compound bow as well very little movement with my Xbow.
It seems you people make way to much movement.
Also the more you can get into a sport like Bow hunting or Hunting in a hole. That means there are more Hunters to fight the ANTIS.
And No I'm not disabled and no I'm Not Lazy
I'M An AMERICAN WITH FREEDOM OF CHOICE GOD BLESS AMERICA
For me I have very little movement in my draw with my Compound bow as well very little movement with my Xbow.
It seems you people make way to much movement.
Also the more you can get into a sport like Bow hunting or Hunting in a hole. That means there are more Hunters to fight the ANTIS.
And No I'm not disabled and no I'm Not Lazy
I'M An AMERICAN WITH FREEDOM OF CHOICE GOD BLESS AMERICA
#66
Nontypical Buck
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PABowhntr - You should hear my longbow - whisper quiet.
buckforme - your crossbow should be balanced on your knee, like a rifle (assuming your portables stands are built low seated like mine). Thats the way I shot them, off a rest. Drawing a compound when the deer is 40 yards out and holding until it comes in is another piece in this puzzle, isn't it ?
Cougar Mag - Way wrong there buddy. Crossbows date a long, long way back, many hundreds of years - they are much more traditional than a compound ever will be ( a compound is what, 50 years old ?) - thats a fact Cougar.
buckforme - your crossbow should be balanced on your knee, like a rifle (assuming your portables stands are built low seated like mine). Thats the way I shot them, off a rest. Drawing a compound when the deer is 40 yards out and holding until it comes in is another piece in this puzzle, isn't it ?
Cougar Mag - Way wrong there buddy. Crossbows date a long, long way back, many hundreds of years - they are much more traditional than a compound ever will be ( a compound is what, 50 years old ?) - thats a fact Cougar.
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445, the direct answer to your question is no. You can shoot a crossbow off a rest, just like a firearm. I prefer to shoot my crossbow off a rest as a matter of fact. Even though it doesn't go 'bang', the crossbow is more akin to hunting with an iron sighted handgun rather than a bow.
Nitro, I've spent a lot of time studying the harvest data on the ODNR website. In Ohio, you are confined to hunting with bow and crossbow, with a few days of hunting with a shotgun and another few days of muzzleloader. Thank God I live in Texas, where I can hunt deer with a whole varitey of weapons. Handguns, rifles, shotguns, muzzleoaders or bows. As well as crossbows. And I can hunt with any of them, at my whim, for 11 months of the year, taking spring turkey season, small game, varmints and feral hogs into account. Bows just give me an average of an extra 29 days. And even then, those 29 days are pre-rut. The rut doesn't get into full swing until the gun opener in November.
With the political structure and big money interests in gun hunting here, I have grave concerns about crossbows being allowed in our bow season. In Ohio, crossbow harvest has exceeded bow harvest each year since 1989. In other words, take out the crossbow figures and the harvest would be less than half of what it is now. If crossbows more than doubled the bow harvest here, like the numbers in Ohio shows is very possible, then our bow season would be cut, or eliminated.
Perhaps you question that? Deer hunting has a $2.2 billion dollar impact, according to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, on the Texas economy. The biggest part of that money comes from gun hunting. The big game ranches are already trying to get bow season consolidated into the general season. It would mean an extra $500 million, give or take a few 10's of millions, to the linings of their pockets. The game commission here is heavily influenced by the ranches and I guarantee that they will not allow the gun season to be negatively impacted by an increased bow harvest. Money talks.
Hunter success rates in Ohio run about 33%. Ten year average hunter success rate in Texas is 75%. Ohio has a 4 month bow season and a 6 day gun season. Texas has a 29 day bow season and a 3 month gun season. What works in Ohio won't work everywhere.
Also, how can you draw and shoot a bow without more movement than you can shoot a crossbow? The arm and shoulder are rather large body parts that are in motion for a good 20" (for a short armed shooter) compared to squeezing your index finger a half inch.
Edited by - Arthur P on 01/29/2002 09:42:44
Nitro, I've spent a lot of time studying the harvest data on the ODNR website. In Ohio, you are confined to hunting with bow and crossbow, with a few days of hunting with a shotgun and another few days of muzzleloader. Thank God I live in Texas, where I can hunt deer with a whole varitey of weapons. Handguns, rifles, shotguns, muzzleoaders or bows. As well as crossbows. And I can hunt with any of them, at my whim, for 11 months of the year, taking spring turkey season, small game, varmints and feral hogs into account. Bows just give me an average of an extra 29 days. And even then, those 29 days are pre-rut. The rut doesn't get into full swing until the gun opener in November.
With the political structure and big money interests in gun hunting here, I have grave concerns about crossbows being allowed in our bow season. In Ohio, crossbow harvest has exceeded bow harvest each year since 1989. In other words, take out the crossbow figures and the harvest would be less than half of what it is now. If crossbows more than doubled the bow harvest here, like the numbers in Ohio shows is very possible, then our bow season would be cut, or eliminated.
Perhaps you question that? Deer hunting has a $2.2 billion dollar impact, according to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, on the Texas economy. The biggest part of that money comes from gun hunting. The big game ranches are already trying to get bow season consolidated into the general season. It would mean an extra $500 million, give or take a few 10's of millions, to the linings of their pockets. The game commission here is heavily influenced by the ranches and I guarantee that they will not allow the gun season to be negatively impacted by an increased bow harvest. Money talks.
Hunter success rates in Ohio run about 33%. Ten year average hunter success rate in Texas is 75%. Ohio has a 4 month bow season and a 6 day gun season. Texas has a 29 day bow season and a 3 month gun season. What works in Ohio won't work everywhere.
Also, how can you draw and shoot a bow without more movement than you can shoot a crossbow? The arm and shoulder are rather large body parts that are in motion for a good 20" (for a short armed shooter) compared to squeezing your index finger a half inch.
Edited by - Arthur P on 01/29/2002 09:42:44
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Arthur P
Well thought out and well written. I hope you wont mind that I intend to save your post. It will be handy any time I get into a debate over crossbows.<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
Well thought out and well written. I hope you wont mind that I intend to save your post. It will be handy any time I get into a debate over crossbows.<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>


