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As a new owner of a Bowtech SWAT http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3336027 (with a 2nd one on order) I would like to hear from other Bowtech owners who own (or have owned) a Bowtech. I / we have seen the threads where people post a problem; let's post about "Trouble Free" Bowtechs (ie... no limb issues). If you did have a problem, but Bowtech took care of it that's okay too. Include the model, year, draw weight, how often & how much you shoot, ect...
Satisfied Bowtech owners, post up.

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04 Extreme VFT 70#limbs:tens of thousands of arrows through it without a problem. 3D shoots all summer and indoor leagues in winter. Beat it up in the deer woods every falland it's still like new!;)

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06 Allegiance- The second day I had mine I was shooting in my yard when a friend came over. He wanted to feel what my draw cycle felt like so I handed him my bow. He pulled it back with his fingers and wham!! he lets it go. I think my jaw hit the ground.
Anyways, after a serious examination, my dealer and I decided my only issue was a bent cam. We replaced the cams and I've shot it thousands of times since. No issue's. Bowtech and my dealer both have a customer for life after the way they treated me.

Dan

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09 Swat. No problems here got it over christmas. Had an 07 Equalizer shot it for two years, no problems

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I have owned 3 this year . I have another one on the way now a General , I have a 101st airborne and an nitrous had a guardian but i sold it . never had any probs at all

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Wow, that's good.

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I would be sick if someone dry fired my bow. That's awesome that it basicslly survived with minor repair and has lasted a long time. :)

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If I had to guess I've probably had 400 or sodemo bows over the years...I've never had any limb problems but I have had to replace two cams and a few strings from consumers dry firing them at shows.

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I currently own a
07 Diamond Tec Hunter
08 Alligence
09 82nd
09 Diamond Justice (wife's)

All are great, and I have no complaints with any of them.
I would recomend one to anybody, mine have all been problem free!

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2002 BowTech Mighty Mite, don't know how many shots but it was ALOT. Never had a problem, that thing was FAST!

2004 BowTech Liberty, went through two different sets of limbs, BowTech replaced the bow with a 2005 model of my choice (went with an Allegiance) free of charge (found the riser was bent, probablly from my "pro" shop pressing it wrong)

2005 Allegiance, shot ALOT, never had a single problem

2006 Old Glory, I REALLLLLLY miss that bow, definetly the favorite bow that I have ever owned and I wish I wouldn't have got rid of it. I shot the bow for two season, had some of the best scores (targets) and had multiple robinhoods with that bow. I am actually thinking of getting rid of my 82nd Airborne and getting another Old Glory

2008 82nd Airbone, I probablly have 5,000 shots out of it, still going strong, nothing needed replaced and everything except the finish is perfect (the InVelvet hasn't held up for me). Love the bow, but it is a little more touchy for form.

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07 Commander - Great bow,hunted the 2007 season with it and shot 3D with it too,as far as I know TexasBowHunter is still enjoying the heck out of it.;)

08 101st - Have a ton of shots and around 150 hours of tree time with it, no problems or complaints. It's a flat out awesome bow.

09 Air Raid - Haven't seen it yet, but I didn't bat an eye to lay down my money. I truly believe I am buying quality in every aspect.

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You could probably throw my results out of this thread "just because" of my affliation... but comlete candor and truth here: I've owned close to 30 BowTechs I think now? Never had a single problem with any of them...

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It's amusingat how many "BowTech problem" threads you see on certain sites. It is no secret that BowTech has taken a HUGE chunk of market share from every bow company in the industry. And to think that they done this in such a short time. I don't think any of this would have taken place if their bows were junk?

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04 justice, 60#, 28" draw I do not shoot alot during the off season maybe 400 arrows. The only thing I have ever done to this bow is had new serving
put on it[I shoot off the string] The bow is dead quiet and accurate, heck I even asked the tech at the archery shop if he thought I should put a new string on it naa it still looks good to him he told me, I will be putting one on before next season just because.

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Great customer service on the Liberty. The others sound trouble free to me, not collecting dust either.

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07 Guardian...bow fell 30 ft after being bumped out of bowholder. Picked it back up...and killed a Pope and Young 2 hours later...bow was undamaged and needed no adjustments. Bow has been shot hundreds of times and still has the factory string on and the peep ALWAYS comes back and lines right up. Awesome strings. I just blacked this bow out and will be posting pics soon. This bow did a grueling 10 day NM elk hunt and took the abuse I dished it.

06 Tribute...bow performed flawlessly till I traded it for a Bowtech 82nd Airborne. Quiet and fast

08 82nd Airborne. Speed bow...superfast and I shoot it quite accurately.

I have never had to send a Bowtech to the shop for a repair

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'05 Patriot........not one single problem. Dropped it from stand last season and no problem. Have an '08 Allegiance to go along with it, haven't shot it yet but I anticipate no problems.

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07 Commander...no problems so far. Owned it almost a year.

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I've had now, around 10 Bowtech, Diamond, Ross' and I've had zero issues and I put all of them through serious paces.

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2 03 pro 38's 62# 28" set up exactly the same. never had a problem.

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Yep, I am still loving it and havent had one single issue with the bow... I was able to put a total of 7 animals down with that bow this last08/09season... SWAT is on my list to check out as a backup bowwithin the next couple months!!!

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the only problem with my 07 tribute is my strings wore out. karl

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03 Bowtech stalker, 0 problems.

04 Liberty, 0 problems

06 Allegiance, bought it used and cracked a limb during first week of shooting. Not sure if it was damaged during shipping. Replaced limbs and haven't had a problem since.

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Tribute. specs in my sign. Shot thousands upon thousands of arrows through it. Shot it at pop up shoots, hunting deer, yotes, rabbits, anything to give me an excuse to shoot, and it was my bowfishing bow for a couple years but I got a cheapo bow for that now. Im pretty hard on equipment, Ive dropped it from the stand a time or two and I wasin an accident with my bow in the backseat of the truck, I lost control and hit a guard rail headon at 65 the bow ended up in my lap. Not a single problem with it;) I call that luck though. Honestly the only thing I have ever had wrong with my bow was the cheap cable slide that bowtech uses broke. Big deal right. Bowtech has a lifelong customer with me. I dont buy many bows but with the quality of my bowtech I dont need to.

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101 airborne, shot 2 times per week for 1.5 years and replaced 1 string. Smoking 3d targets, turkeys, deer, and rabbits. Could not ask for anything more.

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I've owned approx. 20 BowTechs No problems here.

Honestly, the hundreds of BowTech ownersI talk to working shows, through emails, and on the phone there are very few that have problems:D

The rare one that doesis taken care of. BowTech's Customer Service is as Good as it gets!!

Dan

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08 101st Airborne. Minor cable wear from draw stop modules not aligning properly. HOWEVER, I can't honestly say whether this was user induced or a problem from the factory as I never owned it straight from the factory.

Other than that, I'm perfectly happy.

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08 General 62# 28 Draw,

changed the limbs even though no issues. Great bow, very pleased.

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I've owned 3.

2005 Allegiance
2005 Old Glory
2007 Allegiance

All pressed correctly by me, never dry fired or any other stupid accidents. No issues at all. I have on a couple of occasions shot an arrow without a field tip by accident. That's as close to a dry fire as I have come.

The Bowtech limb issue was and is blown WAY out of proportion. Sure they've had a couple issues here and there, but not widespread like the mob on AT wants everyone to believe. Most of these issues, I'd be willing to bet, are from improper pressing, dry fires, or shooting too light of an arrow for extended periods of time.

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I really miss my Old Glory. I know the guy who bought it, but he won't sell it back! My '07 Commander has been a real workhorse for me. Dropped it in the water, no problems at all. Shot countless arrows through it without a single problem. Just ordered some new strings for it last night actually.

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Had three.

03 Black Knight II shot it for three years trouble free.
06 Allegiance, had a bottom limb crack the second year I had the bow. Had replacment limbs from the factory in less than a week. They didn't have any in my camo pattern in stock. Got another set three weeks later in the correct pattern when they became available. They said just keep the other set. Great CS through this ordeal.
08 82nd, have had no problems with this one.

Have liked them all and have had great CS from Bowtech. Bowtech shooter and the rest of the affiliated guys on this site are great. All emails and PM's I've sent have always been answered in less than 24 hrs. Great company and great products.

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With friends like that, who needs enemies?:D:D:D Ah oh, there's one of those adds, I'm going to bed!!;):D

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I have owned 4 bowtechs.

My 03 patriot was trouble free. But only had it one year.

My 04 liberty was trouble free for 3-4 years, but then had a limb start splintering. But I shot that bow I don't know how many thousands of shots. It was fixed. Bowtech helped me but the dealer totally screwed me. It was the last dealings I had with him.

My 07 commander is an awesome bow. Cams straight as an arrow, fast, dead quiet. I can't figure out why this bow sells poorly.

My 08 guardian has had some issues. With all my good luck with a great company, I wasn't expecting this. Cable rubs at full draw, cam lean. Just very out of character for a bowtech in my experience. So I sent it back, and get back this bow with new limbs with bright chrome pins in the limbs, cable now rubs on opposite cam. But shoots well. Bow has some string buzz my commander does not. Kinda indifferent about the bow.

I would say the reason all these high number bowtech shooters don't have trouble, is fairly obvious to me. They don't own one long enough. If you only keep a bow 1 maybe 2 years, thats nothing, any company can pull that off. Even PSE. I have kept bows up to 10 years.

Not trying to be adversarial. But lets say I wanted the opinion on a truck. One guy said he buys a new one every year, but treats it rough and never had a lick of trouble. Another explains he had a toyota pickup with 600K miles and had it for 15 years. I mean which one would you have faith in?

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I understand what you're saying about how long they have owned the bow, how much they shoot ect... I included those as factors inmy original post. Your 04 Liberty and the 08 Guardianboth have good info.One bow lasted 3 yaers beforea problem, the other had trouble early on.

I'm a typically a weekend shooter, except duringJune & July when I might shooteveryday.Most of the bows I've owned have not stayed with me very long, typically 1 year, so I have not had many issues.
However, I owned a Mathews LX for 3 yaers that never had a problem. In contrast I had a Mathews Switchback XT that ate through the cable serving in a month; Mathews fans wanted to say that was typical of a one cam bow, bull. That was a factory defect that Mathews expected the consumer to solve / repair at the consumers expense.
I also had a limb splinter on an 07 Allegiance after 4 months; I'm sure Bowtech would have repaired it under warranty, but the dealer did not get it resolved quickly, 2 weeks later I (luckily) got the unrepaired bow back as the dealer was going out of business. I drove to the next closest Bowtech dealer about 1 hour away and ended up trading the Allegiance (still unrepaired) to a Hoyt (I was not a happy camper at this point in time). That dealer was going to charge me for putting the warranty replacement limbs on the Allegiance because I did not buy the bow from him, I understand him charging for his time, but that's not how to get a repeat customer. Naturally, I purchased the SWAT from a different Bowtech dealer, also about 1 hour away; I told him the story about the Allegiance and he said he would not have charged me on the Allegiance, even though I did not buy the bow from him. I ordered the 2nd SWAT from him a few days later.

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I may not own my Bows very long, but I know where most of them are, and the current owners are still shooting them, still trouble free.

One thing I've noticed in 40 years in archery and many years running a Pro Shopis it seems some archers have moreproblems than others, regardless of brand. Just ask Len! I'm sure he will agree with me.:D

When you are the fastest growing company on the block, and you are passing up your competetion that's been around for many years. It creates a lot of jealousy;)

That in turn causes every problem to be blown out of proportion[8D]

Dan

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No company is without their flaws, but I definitely see a disproportionate amount complaints on AT compared to here. I've stated it before, and I wonder how many reported "problems" are in fact user-induced.

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Of the problems I have seen regarding Bows with my own 2 eyes at least 50% are operator error;)

Dan

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I am engineer. I understand relibility, quality, and design. This is what I do. I like to tinker. I like to take apart. My whole job in life is to point out flaws and suggest fixing. And that carries over to my hobbies.

But you are correct on a few accounts. A bunch of things are blown out of proportion, because the price is blown out of proportion. The spin on the manufactures side has grown out of proportion, so therefore, the customer base complains has to offset that. I mean why do you think you and about 10 others on here are bowtech staff shooters? I know why. I have discussed it with many face to face. And its good that bowtech has you on these forums to do a "job". You earn those two to 3 bows you get a year in spades. Just good business practices. Same with the staff shooters on AT. They are doing a job.

Yes, some archers shoot thier bows 10X more than the average. And yes, they will see problems 10X faster. Its just mere statistics dan. If you have ever worked in a mass produced manufacturing enviroment, it would be very appearant to you. I see it in every engineering job I have had.

As len once said concerning bowtech vs. Mathews. "I would love to sell Mathews, but if I can't sell you, I am going to sell against you". Bruce Lathier was there when he said it. So was 5 others. That was very telling.

But with all that said, do you Dan, believe that broken limbs are rare with bowtech? Do you Dan, think all these folks are merely lying? Untruthful? All those pictures made up?

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BC, Since you were so kind to quote me I will respond.;)

First of all I could care less if you are an engineer, a NASA employee, or the President of the US. Limb failures are less than 2% but yet BowTech keeps striving for better. How many Bowhunters do you think actually are on AT percentage wise?

How many failure threads that you have seen on AT are legit? One was made by a CEO of another Bow Company. Fact!

I've witnessed dryfires, limb smacking deck rails upon release, truck doors slammed on limbs, and limbs melted in front of a salamander.

As far asLen's remarks, whatever. I know 2 dealers in my area have dropped Mathews because of slumping sales. Their choice, not mine. He has made other comments I will withhold to be politically correct.

I can tell you without a doubt why I am on Staff with BowTech and it's because I chose to be. I believe in the bows and I shoot them by my choice.

I have always shot what I considered to be the Best bow on the market. I have shot Mathews 6 years, Hoyt a couple of years, Martin, PSE, High Country, Pearson, Oregon, Bear, Jennings, XI, and more.

I hardly would shoot a bow because of any discount I get.;)I can get a discount on anything I wouldchoose to shoot[8D]

Dan

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I refuse to visit to AT over all the staffers argueing back and forth. For the joe-smoe like me, its just propaganda spin from manfacutures. I wasn't trying to toot my own horn or brag or anything, just explain why I like to take things apart, or am so critical on products. I appoligize you took it so negatively or took it as me bragging. But hey, who am I, I am just the consumer keeping these companies in business. Beat us consumers up if you wish. Belittle us consumers. We have a choice.

But still skirting around the question. So you think all of us with broken limbs are lying? I would say thats a rather conservative number of 2%. I keep bows so much longer than most of you staffers, I was bound to get broken limb sooner or later.


Sure, bow manufactures and thier staff shooters are so brutal on each other. No doubt, I bet over half are not legit.But, it was just last year, all these general threads came about. Pictures, them blowing up. I defended bowtech, and followed along in singing thier praise right with you if you remember. And in the end, all those staffers who tried to deligitimize consumers, belittle them, all looked like fools. Including myself. After that incident, I looked back at my experience, and learned I wasa "fanboy". And I can't stand fanboys. So I promised not to show allegience to any mfg.

No doubt, Mathews has a great head of the company. A Godly man. Great customer service. But, if I want single cam bow, i would have kept my liberty. Again, I show no allegience to any company anymore. I am not a huge mathews fan.

No doubt, totally believe that you believe in the company and thats the reason you fight so hard to promote them. They should pay you extra for your promotion. You earn it in spades.

For me personally, I won't promote anybody. Except the longbows I make. And since I broke the last one, I can't promote it.