Sonoran Broadheads
 

Any one use these, have seen these, or heard of these.

The delayed opening and the 3 blade design look good.

http://www.sbp.cc/delayed2.htm

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I asked 5-shot about those right before last elk season. As most mechanicals don' t give an entry wound anyway it makes perfect sence to save the blades until they are in the animal. Some people posted that they are wicked turkey heads and work great on deer also.

With the blades tucked in like they are there wouldn' t be any " kicking off" the animal.

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I' m trying hard not to laugh at these things. I really like this part from their website. Or this part What would you call that thing keeping the blades shut? I' d love to see 5 shot' s test on those. I wouldn' t think those blades would hold up thru the orange let alone the drum. I also looked around the website and see no evidence of replacement blades available for them. 1 and done?

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Oh great! Now we have, on the market, a head that does not open until AFTER penetration. How much vital area will the head pass through as a field point before the blades open?

How much resistance from blood, muscle, tendon, bone, etc. will impede the DELAYED opening?

I am not keen about mechanicals; I sure do not like this design.

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Actually this head has been on the marker for a number of years now. I guess 5-shot, or someone else with the ability, will just have to test them and see if they are what they are said to be.

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The catch word is " DELAYED."

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I have to agree with c903 on this. (did I really just say that?) ;) Why on earth would you want to delay the cut?[:@] The larger the entrance hole and exit hole, the more blood they loose. The easier the track job. Way to many things going against this head. Electrical tape,[:o][&:] that kills me! LMAO

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nub

:D

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I also agree with c903 and Nub! It seems to me that any mechanical heads downfall is failure to open imediately on impact. For some reason Sonoran seems to be using this failure as a bonus in their marketing. I' m confused! I wonder what handy dandy word they have for that thing that holds the blades in place with superiority over o-rings or rubber bands:D

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Actually, this head has several advantages: (1) It' s legal in states that require a 7/8" minimum width in the closed position. (2) It only has small exposed blades in flight, leading to better accuracy. (3) Delayed opening is good because the head penetrates most of the way before the " wings" force the larger blades open. This reduces the chance of a glance off or cartwheel.

Also, they do leave a fairly decent entrance hole (the wings are 7/8" wide. If I were to shoot mechanicals, I' d give them strong consideration.

The makers of Sonoran are renowned AZ bowhunters who' ve killed some monster mulies and coues at 50 and 60 yards, so these heads must be pretty accurate.

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Somebody please slap me. I am having a nightmare!

This is good? [:o]

Has the tried and true gone to the wayside for sales, manufacturer hype, and experimentation, with the game animals being the lab rats? Too much unreliable and unrealistic junk, and the wrong bow and gear in the hands of the wrong person, seems to be resulting too much wounded and unrecovered game.

Sometimes, when I read certain posts, I get the impression that some people tend to believe that if you have a fast bow and all the trick gear, all they have to do is just point the arrow in the general direction of what you intend to kill - sometimes a " Hail Mary," and fire, and the setup will put the arrow in the kill zone like a " smart bomb." [:@][:@]

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Ain`t too many things purtier than a full sized broadhead going downrange as smooth and straight as a fieldtip.

And it is not that hard to accomplish, even at high speeds.


Next hot design will be real loud bows!

Deer are looking for the loud bow and won`t notice that arrow coming in.;)

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I have shot these blades for several years now and they work really good. We have taken about 4 deer with these heads and they do extensive damage to deer or coyotes. Its the best mechanical I have used.

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Oh-oh! I had better get out of these knee-high boots and into my waders. Stuff is startin' to get deep......er! [:o]

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Well lets see first there was rocks the most tried and true, then someone had to invent the spear, then someone had to invent the long bow, then someone invented the recurve, then someone invented black powder, then someone had to invent a gun to use the black powder, and then someone had to invent the compound and modern rifle. I know for a fact that none of these weapons were " tried and true" when they first hit theiy perspective markets, be it cave men, native Americans, or the modern hunter. If you haven' t actually tried them then how do you know what they will do. Before you give your unbased oppinions on something at least test them first. They just might be the best thing since sliced bread.

In fact I would bet that at least half of the people that post here have at least one bow that has been on the market for less than a three years.

I really don' t believe that there are people here that are that much of an unethical hunter to try something that stupid. Although there are idiots out there I just haven' t seen them here.

Not trying to pick on you here c903 your post just helps make a point.:)

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" Tried and true" is that which has been proven to be sufficiently effective for an intended purpose, but not radical, unreliable, and too complex for the user to properly setup and maintain. There is a point of diminishing returns. In the case of hunting game with wrong gear, the quarry is the real loser.

One does not always have to have used a certain bow or a certain piece of gear to speculate reliability, effectiveness, and whether the design is appropriate for its intended use. Comparative knowledge of what is needed and what is essential can be sufficient to evaluate.

Regarding this subject, a mechanical broadhead that is designed to delay the opening the most effective blades on the ferrule until a degree of penetration has occurred, I do not have to have used the head to know that the head cannot be as reliable and as consistently effective as a fixed blade BH.

I also know that there are shooters who are shooting bows that are not suited for their skill level. I also know that there are shooters who use accessories not suited for their shooting skills, their level of knowledge regarding setup, and their skill and adherence to proper maintenance, and tuning.

As for those that have taken " Hail Mary" shots; the shoot to the clouds kind, or the point and pray kind, you do not see the shots here; you read about them. Some have admitted to shooting to the sky for an 80 yard shot, and when the deer was hit in the head the shooter claimed the shot was righteous, well within his skill level, and he knew he would put the deer down.

For other examples, just read closely. Quite often, you will sense that the shooter' s false belief of what his or her setup can actually do, is what led/leads them to take a shot they should not have taken. Speed is one of the major misleading factors. There are more.

I do not consider an opposite opinion to be a matter of " picking on someone." I call it a discussion that presents all sides. :)

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I' d like to see 5SHOT test these. I can' t beleive they' d be to durable but I know several bowhunters using them and have had great success with them.( one guy 5 deer and the other 11 in a row) There are a few bow shops in Minnesota who push them, and they' re patrons really like them and have had great success.

Good Luck!!

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I don' t think that there is a mechanical head out there that will do as good a job as a good fixed blade head will. Most mechanicals do not make an entry hole anyway.

Lets face it though there are actually only a few things in the archery sport these days that are really tried and true, muzzy broadheads being one of them. There are so many new things coming out in this sport every year that it makes the head spin. From all of the new drop away rests, to sights, to bows themselves. I just think that we should reserve judgement until we have someone actually test them. Who knows they may just surprise us all.

And yes there are definetly some idiots out there, I just haven' t heard / read about them here.

The Tri-Triska might be a better design. Their blades are sharpend on the back side so as to create an entrance hole.

http://www.triskask.com/

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I was going to stay out of this one as I have no first hand knowledge of the heads yet. As far as how well it will hold up in the tests, I can' t say. It " looks" solid enough. My big problem is the " delayed" opening. Manufactures strive hard to get mechanicals to open on the outside of the animal to create and entrance and exit wound. Yes this head should help stop any kind of cartwheeling that may happen, but since I found that with a well tuned bow and quality heads this is basicly a non issue anyway. I personaly prefer heads that open fast, very fast and always leave an entrance wound. If you don' t get a pass through your going to need the entrance hole to help the blood flow out of the wound for better tracking. The Triska ( I think I spelled it correctly) seems to be a bit better in that both the outer and inner edges of the blades are sharp, but it still opens on the inside. I will put these on the list to test and see what happens.

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bigbulls

I should have further clarified what I meant when I said " tried and true." I was using the term to mean design, application, reliability, and durability. Not just a certain brand or model.

I agree with you about prejudgment; however, my evaluation is comparative based, and is an opinion.

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c903,
I know what you are saying, there are designs that have been around a long time and work well. My point is though, even these designs were new at one time or another and someone had to be the first to give them a try.

I certainly respect your opinions and everyone should have one. That' s why I like this board so much. What else would we do when we aren' t hunting. Good debates here. Not exactly like sitting around the fire at hunting camp but as close as we can get till the season comes around again.

It will be interesting to see how they do when 5-shot tests them.

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I' m a die hard steelhead user...three shots, 3 entrance holes, three exit holes, three dead deer that didn' t go 50 yards. Now I look at these Triska heads, primarily the 125 grain that has a opened diameter of 2 3/4 inches. Now I don' t care how big the entrance wound is, but if you have a broadhead that can punch a dang near 3 inch hole in the underside of a deer its going to die and die very very quickly, even if it' s only max diameter for the last half of the torso. My bow is putting out 80ft/lbs of KE. I would have very sufficient energy to get a full pass through using this head out to my max range of 30 yards. For some setups this head is just way too large. I feel that it' s the hunters responsibility to know what there equipment is capable of to make every effort to be as ethical as possible. If your bow is only putting out 65ft/lbs, then don' t use this head. It' s that simple. The problem I have is the way that these manufacturers are marketing there " latest and greates" gear. It seems to be more directed towards new archers who have really no idea what' s going on. Hell, I remember when I first started, I was clueless. I was lucky enough to have a very excellent proshop with owners that guided me through all the starting obstacles.

Now with my situation, I see this broadhead and think, " This head would really make me a better hunter because I would feel more comfortable making slightly quartering too/away shots that I have passed up several times before with my steelheads because of the fear of cartwheeling. I' m going to give these heads a try and will hopefully get a shot at a deer next fall. If accomplished I will post picks of the entrance and exit wounds and of the blood trail. Thank you for your time.

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I' ve used the 2 blade 85 grain sonoras for a few years and have taken a couple deer with them,they did a good number on them,The sonoras are one of the few expandables i use.