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Hick442 02-10-2009 06:33 PM

Serrated Expanible
 
I was just thinking to my self that this would be a mean idea for a broudhead. I was looking online and couldn't find any. It might have some penitrating issues on larger game but seems to me that it would put turkeys down in short order. I don't know just an idea to think about.

Huntinman23 02-10-2009 06:36 PM

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That seems like a pretty good idea, but in most states that would probably be considered a barbed broadhead and be illegal. But a good idea none-the-less

Hick442 02-10-2009 06:45 PM

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I was just thinking of something like the magnus Buzzcut but in a exapnible with like a 2 or more inch cutting diameter. Just seems like i would be the overall best turkey broundhead for body shots withs its large cutting diameter, good flight, and devastating ripping and tearing. But im just ranting and raving about it:)

BGfisher 02-11-2009 08:49 AM

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Serrated blades are nothing new. The concept has been tried off and on for many years. It's been proven time and again that a straight edge cuts more efficiently than serrations thus causing more profuse bleeding. Serrations or any rough cut surface induces a little bit of shock to the skin and muscles which helps promote quicker clotting.

patchholder 02-11-2009 04:10 PM

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yah I could see a serrated edge clotting and less blood farther down the trail. I have been using some crimson talon with a spiral tip and they spin the broadhead into the game a little farther than most. Most will pretty much quit spinning on contact. The spinning in there causes more hemoraging and a wound that can't clot up.

MeanV2 02-11-2009 07:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: BGfisher

Serrated blades are nothing new. The concept has been tried off and on for many years. It's been proven time and again that a straight edge cuts more efficiently than serrations thus causing more profuse bleeding. Serrations or any rough cut surface induces a little bit of shock to the skin and muscles which helps promote quicker clotting.
Ditto!!

Give me a razor sharp Broadhead anyday!!

Dan

JeffB 02-11-2009 07:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: BGfisher

Serrated blades are nothing new. The concept has been tried off and on for many years. It's been proven time and again that a straight edge cuts more efficiently than serrations thus causing more profuse bleeding. Serrations or any rough cut surface induces a little bit of shock to the skin and muscles which helps promote quicker clotting.
This.



fingerz42 02-12-2009 05:21 AM

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Serrated edges are fora sawing motion.. thats why serrated edges are on things like steak knives.. so what good would a serrated edge have being on a broadhead...? I can see no reason for it..

mauser06 02-12-2009 11:10 AM

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the others are right...IF you were to cut your self with a razor and then cut yourself with a serrated edge...both just 1 slice forward...the serrated may make a nastier looking wound, but it will stop bleeding quicker and easier...DO NOT try it.....just think about being cut with a razor and getting cut with something that didnt make a nice straight cut...even paper cuts...them things bleed like crazy and pop right open when you think you finally got it closed! they are almost impossible to close if they are deep and long!

i believe serrations on broadheads are just to catch the hunters eye...they look cool and mean and nasty...sure they still cut and kill...but i'll take a razor sharp straight edge...

daveyrock 02-12-2009 11:25 AM

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Did you just promote cutting??? haha..j/k I agree though keep em sharp and smooth, you don't see surgeons cutting with steak knives.



davidmil 02-12-2009 05:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: patchholder

yah I could see a serrated edge clotting and less blood farther down the trail. I have been using some crimson talon with a spiral tip and they spin the broadhead into the game a little farther than most. Most will pretty much quit spinning on contact. The spinning in there causes more hemoraging and a wound that can't clot up.
I hope you don't actually believe this crap about the spinning winning grinning crimson talon? POS and the theory sucks. They sap energy and penetration.

mauser06 02-12-2009 06:36 PM

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davey, i better reword that huh??? :D

BGfisher 02-13-2009 06:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: davidmil


ORIGINAL: patchholder

yah I could see a serrated edge clotting and less blood farther down the trail. I have been using some crimson talon with a spiral tip and they spin the broadhead into the game a little farther than most. Most will pretty much quit spinning on contact. The spinning in there causes more hemoraging and a wound that can't clot up.
I hope you don't actually believe this crap about the spinning winning grinning crimson talon? POS and the theory sucks. They sap energy and penetration.
Ok, now that it's been said I'll add to it. I was going to say something to this effect, but figured I'd just keep it to myself and let people believe what they want. Some people are just so gullible they'll believe anything in advertisements just looking for that magic cure-all. Or they'll see a big hole in the hide and think, WOW, when it's inside where the work is done and a slice through the lungs is a slice through the lungs. Want big holes? Use a bullet.

MNpurple 02-13-2009 08:04 AM

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2 years ago I used the regular Magnus Stinger and shot 2 deer and an elk and although the broadhead is tough and very accurate I was dissapointed with the blood trails. This past season I went to the serrated buzzcuts after talking to the owner of Magnus and shot 3 deer with them. I will say I thought the blood trails were better on the animals I shot this year with the serrated heads and I have shot enough animals to know what kind of hits "should" produce a good blood trail. Obviously every hit has different factors affecting the blood trail thoguh. But my .02 was that the serrations did produce a better blood trail.

That said, although I love the Magnus heads for their accuracy, the blood trails just arent there, serrated or straight. Hit em right is doesnt matter, but we dont make perfect hits every time.


TEmbry 02-13-2009 08:25 AM

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What's next? Serrated razors?[&:]

MeanV2 02-13-2009 08:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: TEmbry

What's next? Serrated razors?[&:]
[:'(]I want No part of those!

Dan

Hick442 02-13-2009 03:47 PM

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This thread went in a different direction then i was intended. I was trying to bring up the question of a serrated blade expandible. This would be for body shots on a turkey. It seems to me like specialized heads like this have been coming out from American Broad head company with the turkey terror and others. The object for these broad heads to cause as much damage as possible without getting a pass through. I'm just saying i think a expandable would fly better and have a larger cutting diameter for more carnage.

BGfisher 02-13-2009 06:58 PM

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Now that we're all in lather and getting good feedback you now tell us that the main intent is for turkey? That may be a different ball game there.

davidmil 02-13-2009 07:57 PM

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I want a broadhead made by nair. It really shaves that hair off.[&:]

Hick442 02-14-2009 01:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: BGfisher

Now that we're all in lather and getting good feedback you now tell us that the main intent is for turkey? That may be a different ball game there.

Yeah i said in my first two post that the main intent for this broadhead would be turkey.

BGfisher 02-14-2009 06:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hick442


ORIGINAL: BGfisher

Now that we're all in lather and getting good feedback you now tell us that the main intent is for turkey? That may be a different ball game there.

Yeah i said in my first two post that the main intent for this broadhead would be turkey.
Guess I missed it so it's my bad. My apologies for that. But still no reason for serrated blades. Fir turkey I'd use the largest mechanical I could find. Then drop a lot of draw weight off the bow to prevent pass throughs.

Hick442 02-14-2009 08:01 PM

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Yea thanks for the feedback BG and what ideas would you have for a good turkey broundhead. I shot jake in the fall with muzzy three blades and it passed through like butter. Im only shooting 55 lbs with a 2005 fred bear Obsession.

BGfisher 02-16-2009 06:10 AM

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Hick,

I never make specific recommendations because I don't keep up with all the
"latest and greatest" changes that seem to come about very year, but for turkey I would jsut resmooned the largest expandable you can find. Something in the 2" range. The 55# should be OK as that isn't nearly as much as the 70# everybody thinks they have to have these days. It's really tough to say what the ideal setup would be. And really, who has ever tried every combination on the market on real birds?

Wish you luck though. Turkey are a very challenging game bird. Personally I've never bagged one with a bow although I've come close twice. They just have more "woods smarts" than me.

Hick442 02-16-2009 09:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: BGfisher

Hick,

I never make specific recommendations because I don't keep up with all the
"latest and greatest" changes that seem to come about very year, but for turkey I would jsut resmooned the largest expandable you can find. Something in the 2" range. The 55# should be OK as that isn't nearly as much as the 70# everybody thinks they have to have these days. It's really tough to say what the ideal setup would be. And really, who has ever tried every combination on the market on real birds?

Wish you luck though. Turkey are a very challenging game bird. Personally I've never bagged one with a bow although I've come close twice. They just have more "woods smarts" than me.

Yea i hear you there, My brother(SimanOh08) and i have been going at it for four years know and have only gotten one gobbler and two jakes. Only one of the jakes was with a bow.

Siman08/OH 02-16-2009 10:00 AM

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I need to set the record straight and say that mine was a double bearded "Jom" ;):D:)

Hick442 02-17-2009 12:04 PM

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Yea bro but mine was bigger.:):D


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