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RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
ORIGINAL: bigcountry ORIGINAL: madvilledoc I can definitely understand why some people want to gun hunt there. If they don't bow hunt, that may be the only way they can get a chance at a big buck. Of coarse their chance would only last one year. After that the big bucks will be gone and hunting in those counties will be similar to hunting in the rest of the state except you have a much lower deer population. |
RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
Gun hunters want to open these four counties to gun hunting. Of coarse they do. There are big bucks down there. But what they don't realize is that there are only big buck down there BECAUSE it is archery-only. No other reason. If you open a gun season, big bucks will be a thing of the past and those counties will be similar to its neighbors. Gun hunters call bow hunters selfish - that they want to keep those counties to themselves. What everyone is failing to mention is that the gun hunters have the entire rest of the state to do what they want. But that is not enough - they want it all. So I ask you, who is really being the selfish ones here?
The other main argument that I have read above is that the DNR should open gun season in those counties because the population has increased. Yes it has increased, but no where near the level to support a gun season. Currently you can only take 2 deer in these counties, one of which must be a doe. In the neighboring counties, you can take up to 6 deer and as many as 11 in other areas of the state. Yes the population has increased - but it is not there yet. This thread is really getting away from its intended purpose - to rant against the NRA sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. Regardless of whether or not you think there should be a gun season in these counties, it should be left up to the DNR to manage the game, not some outside group that knows nothing of the area. |
RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
ORIGINAL: quiksilver I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The NRA is a PRO-GUN group, NOT a PRO-HUNTING group. They spend millions trying to sell themselves as a group that cares about outdoorsmen - in a veiled effort to drum up as much $$$ as possible - but when the rubber meets the road, they'll cutbowhunters' collectivethroats in a heartbeat. They don't care about bows. They don't care about conservation. They don't care about wildlife management. They just want the most liberal gun laws possible. Obviously, there is a direct conflict of interest there. If you think thatthere is some overlap between gun rights and hunting, you're probably right. However, when you really look at things, the two issues aren't nearly as interwoven as one would think. Put it this way: I'm in the woods at least 75 times/year. Of those 75, I have a gun in my hand for a maximum of 8 hunts. Of those times when I DO take a gun out, those weapons are not the type of firearms that the NRAwastes millions of hunter dollars"protecting." I don't hunt with assault weapons and handguns. Toborrow a line frommy buddy-Iwouldn't piss on the NRA ifthe headquarterswas on fire. I mean, I respect what they do. It's just not anything that I care about. It just bothers me when I see fellow hunters being snowed into believing that the NRA is here to save deer season. It's not. |
RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
ORIGINAL: madvilledoc ORIGINAL: bigcountry ORIGINAL: madvilledoc I can definitely understand why some people want to gun hunt there. If they don't bow hunt, that may be the only way they can get a chance at a big buck. Of coarse their chance would only last one year. After that the big bucks will be gone and hunting in those counties will be similar to hunting in the rest of the state except you have a much lower deer population. You forget Mingo also borders |
RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
ORIGINAL: madvilledoc Thanks for the response, quicksilver. This thread has went down I tangent of bowhunters vs gunhunters that I did not intend. Its funny that the NRA "claims" they are for hunters, but at looking at the numerous posts above, it seems that they are doing more to divide hunters than help them. |
RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
Here is one of those Mingo/Wyoming county bucks.
He went over 200lbs.  |
RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
The RIFLEman part of the association's title might give some subtle clue about where their priorities will leanin the course of supporting hunting rights.I would believe that the general opinion is that expanding areas where firearms can be used for hunting is good in terms of both gunrights and promoting hunting.It will likely be considered heresyin this forum, but there is likely a broader opinion thatpromotion ofthose two things ultimately trumpbowhunters' rights to atrophy buck. So, while I am not an NRA member andsometimes find myself rolling my eyes at some of their actions, I think that thiscurrent action is perfectly logical within the framework of their organizational priorites and the priorities of the broader huntingpopulation.
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RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
What everyone is failing to mention is that the gun hunters have the entire rest of the state to do what they want. But that is not enough - they want it all. So I ask you, who is really being the selfish ones here? The NRA states "While the NRA is a single issue organization [gun rights], the Instituteis involved in any issue that directly or indirectly affects firearms ownership and use. Those involve such topics as hunting and access to hunting lands...." So.....of course they are not sticking up for "hunters as a whole". They will intervene on what they perceive to be gun rights issues. Lastly, since the issue is such a hot topic why don't they just put it to a popular vote? Let the people decide. |
RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
Not at all. Just you have a nice thing going and want to keep it to yourself. I am mostly a bowhunter. And mostly like traditional. But the bottom line is, gun hunters pay tax just like you. If the area can't substain hunting, then let the population rebound. No matter if you are gun hunter or bow hunter |
RE: NRA vs West Virginia Bowhunters Rant
ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag Not at all. Just you have a nice thing going and want to keep it to yourself. I am mostly a bowhunter. And mostly like traditional. But the bottom line is, gun hunters pay tax just like you. If the area can't substain hunting, then let the population rebound. No matter if you are gun hunter or bow hunter Where here in MD, urban spraw has knocked the deer density out of wack. One would have to know the place and hunt it to actually understand. But I agree with some of your post. And the bottom line is, the deer need to recover and have for the most part. Now, here is the kicker. Personally, I would like for it to stay bowhunting only. I would like MD to be bowhunting only. But thats my own selfish desires. I wouldn't mind if all those 4 counties in southern WV was traditional stick only. More selfish desires. But thats not fair or right. |
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