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Not sure if or when the big shops will take us on. We will be in many dealers accross the midwest and out east - but Muddy Outdoor would be able to tell you more early this summer when sticks are available and shipping.

Thanks again for the interest.

Todd

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Really nice design. Definately interested in checking these out myself.

Shane

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So was any thought given in the begining to offer them in a 5 pak instead of the 4pak. By the looks of it most would rather have the height of 5 instead of 4 in the first place. What I see is more $. But it is a very ingenius design reguardless. Good luck and I'm sure you will do good. BTW, are you attending the Harrisburg Outdoor Show?

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I'm not sure about the Harrisburg show? Go to www.gomuddy.com - shoot them an email and they will let you know. I think they will be at the Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin shows for-sure!

Thanks again for the interest. I'm more excited to use them myself - you guys don't even know! he he he...

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Where's my complimentary sticks for all of the advertising I did 4 ya. You are on 3 forums with this due to me[8D]

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=823248

http://thunderbucks.com/cgi-bin/foru...?m-1232214628/

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Spend the money big guy, you got it:D

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You really are a self serving tool aren't you. LOL That's what your X said. LOL If they research these forums all you've done is talk the kudos of a competitor(Lone Wolf), and now after a couple quick post on something you've never held in your hands, you want a free set. Low class... truly low class.[8D][8D] Break out your wallet. If you were a lawyer or a dog I tell you to go chase an ambulance.[8D][8D]:D

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That right there is funny, I don't care who you are!!:D:D:D:D:D

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Zing... You can always count on David noy to candy coat it

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ToddI absolutly love the idea of the two steps and the cam locks :)I havent went sticks yet but ifI do ill pick these over the LW. How bought we trade a set of sticks for another WKP engraved rock :D[8D]Guys, as for the discussion on the shorter sticks and needing a fifth stick, cant we just use two crank in steps at the base of the tree to make up the difference ??? I mean come on, how hard is it to put two crank in steps in while standing on the ground?? Dont get lazy on me :DI hate putting them in while dangling on another step but on the ground, whats one minute more??

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lol...just messin with Todd...he knows that.[8D]

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If Iwas rich, then id be all into your sticks Todd. But for a guy like me, who hangs 5 sets a year, i just cant do it. For your sticks im looking at $649.95 + tax just for sticks. I could go other places and getfive 15' sticks for $149.95+ tax. I just don't see why anybody would spend an extra $500. just my input.

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I don't think they are trying to market these steps to people that leave sets up all year. First of all I wouldn't want to leave that kind of coin in the woods while I'm not out there.

I think these are mainly aimed towards those who hang there set everytime in the woods.

I'm with you though, cheap steel steps for me on permanent sets.

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I agree....kinda. I'm 6'3" and i figure 4 steps will get me to 16-17 feet. Add 2 screw ins at the base and i'm at 20-22 feet which may be ok with the right cover. That leaves me 6-8 more feet to get to the height i prefer to hunt at 90% of the time.. I think i will stick with the stacking sticks. I have so many sets that I i just mix and match and make 28' lenghts out of them. I have had to modify some of the top pieces to allow more sections. Besides, I enjoy going out with a buddy in July/August and hangng stands while sweating out the pounds. :D

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Keep one thing in-mind guys, when I designed these sticks- I designed themfor mobile hunting. We have about 30 stands set each season - for the entire season. We have a variety of ladder sticks, individual sticks, screw-in steps, and several junk sticks that serve their purpose.

The rest of the year, I bounce around farms. The advantage of these sticks is to allow a guy to set-up anywhere quickly - and most important - quietly. I'm not seeing myself or anyone I know selling everything they own to replace everything with the new design. But - I see alot of guys trying them outbecause not all of us hunt our own farms where we can just leave stands in-place andknow they will be there when wereturn. I grew up hunting public land and bringing and taking sets in and out with me each hunt. That's where I learned to love moving around constantly. Now I am just trying to design the best possible products for the tactic I love so much!

Thanks for all the help to get the word out. Stop by and see me atone of the shows hardcorehunter.

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Awesome design. contrary to what people are saying i understand completely what these where designed for.
These would be perfect for say a public land hunt where you cant or dont want to leave your stand up.
Or if you get permission to hunt a new piece of land in the middle of season without alot of time to scout.
Maybe you thought your current set was in the perfect spot but then you notice they are using a secondary trail a hundred fifty yards away.
Not a problem with the portability and ease of use with these steps.

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You can count on it Todd...long time no see and I look forward to seeing you again. I am going to the MO and IA Deer Classics this year.

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Well said.

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Theses steps might work well in conjection with the Lone Wolf steps as I see you only being able to get 12' up with a 4-pak. But with a set of these and the LW steps you would be good to go. Only problem would be it would be another thing to carry as I don't see how both setscould be carried on the stand. The 18" Mudd Sticks could then be used for those tight places you couldn't use the LW ladders. Maybe the 4 Mudd sticks would fit inside say 1 or even 2 LW sticks allowing them to be attached to the stand for carrying.

BTW, the Mudd Sticks will be at the Harrisburg Show in booth 2901. They will be able to be viewed but not purchashed at that time:(

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I can tell you from my first time setting these up in a tree - with 4 sticks, I was probably at 15 ft. without stretching too far in-between (for me). I would only need 5 sticks to set-up in most cases - that's all I'd bring.

If you want to hunt 30 ft. off the ground, you need a climber. I don't hunt high, in-fact, I generally hunt between 14-18 ft. I don't like aiming at spines!

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Just like to add if you do it right usually the first few setups on deer is when you have your best chance.
Deer catch onto you pretty dang quick and since ive become mobile I love it.


T

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To claifyI hunt at about 22' and I hang everytime I hunt in most instances and I don't take giant steps between ladders, scares me:D. I still see myself purchashing a setand an extra.

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So if your steps are 18" apart and you put ur steps at say 20" apart that will only get you 12 and a half foot off the ground with 4 steps and 15 and a half foot with 5 steps. Just not high enuff once the leaves fall off for sure. I use 5 Lone Wolf steps once the leaves are gone and usually 4 when the leaves are on. To bad they arent 3 steps long instead of 2 or i could see myself using these. I do love the cam loc system on it, really slick.

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i dont worry about my height as much as i do movement anymore. There is a reason deer look up in the first place. and it isnt cause i'm to low, it usually cause i make a stupid movement that i didnt need to or i'm not paying attention.

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I got a chance to thoroughly check these out at the ATA show... I was extremely impressed.

As someone who's done the run 'n gun thing with a LW Alpha and four LW sticks for several years, I can affirm that Todd's dead onabout a couple things: One, guessing which side of the tree you ultimately want your last step to end up on at stand height... and, Two, the wise choice to NOT have the bracket swivel that fits against the tree. I've often wondered if I could weld the ones on my LW sticks into a solid position somehow.

Another nice touch about having the double steps at the same level is the ability to stand on the last couple with your feet even while hanging your stand...

It's safe to say that I'll probably be owning a set of these. Just a great design.

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Hey Greg - Thanks for the comments. We actually had a bunch of different guys who use those tree saddles check out our sticks and they loved the double steps at the top of the sticks as well! And yes, they do make hanging a standmuch easier. Just weird(in a good way) to have that extra step on the other side. Took me some getting used to. I had to keep reminding myself it didn't matter which footI used!

I've found through my own tests that I actualy end up using the entire 9.5" of step at the top side when stepping up and down. Just a MUCH bigger target to hit on your way down the tree - especially in the dark!

Shorter is safer as well, that's what ended up being our deciding factor in deal.

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Todd, Design looks great, very functional for on the move hunting. And its probably what you had in mind the whole time. I understand what some of the guys are saying about spending alot of $ on multiple sets of sticks, heres my theory. You dont buy 5-10 different climbers to hunt with all season, you buy 1 mabey 2 climbers and use them when and were you can. (straight trees). Hang all your sets early, like u should, and when the season gets here, the deer do different things, new land pops up, any situation, just 4 or 5 of these sticks and a good lock-on is all you need.I admit I have about 25-28 cheap sticks that I put stands up with early in the season. I have summits that I use in straight trees, but these new sticks look like amobile hunters dream. Count me in bro.

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When are they available and what is the sticker? I am spending some money here in the near future and if muddy wants it fine. Or it will be LW.

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$129.99 for a 4-pack - $35.00 each. They will be available by July.

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To me the biggest issue with the LW was when I would leave the stand and then relize I hope I have the right foot
down for the peg. I admit at the ATA I was like just another rip off of LW but after thinking about it sometimes
your gut feeling is just plain wrong and I have added this to my wants list.

T

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For those who don't think 4 sticks will be enough. Remember most trees have branches that can add to how high you go. Very seldom do I climb a tree that doesn't have a branch or to to aid me getting higher.

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Nice looking sticks and good to have choices between 2 fine lightweight mobile sticks. Personally I like the pivoting v-brackets on the LW.

Not me Greg. I love the pivoting brackets. Though quite different in design and function part of the reason I hated the Summit Bucksteps was the "fixed" brackets, more easily able to slip or move from side to side. I actually had the Bucksteps move to one side when using them one time, I immediately sold them and bought my LW sticks and never looked back.

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I agree with cougar. I love the fact that the LW v-brackets pivot. If it wasn't for this I could get up in a couple of my favorite trees. I've had the buck steps and another set of steps that I didn't trust because they would slide around the tree no matter how tight I cinched them!

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Me too. I have felt that the V pivoting feature has been a must in my years as a mobile hunter. Makes the stick "FIT" the tree perfectly and grip on. Otherwise it just doesn't hook up right. I have 3 gorilla Lone Wolf stick imitators, that many of you will never see, as they were a copyright rip off off of LW sticks, and production was forced to cease. Slightly longer, and the V's didn't pivot. I took my grinder to them as I didn't feel they fit on the tree right as they didn't pivot. I even replaced the hooks on them with LW versa buttons. All of my 6 sticks also have the Utility contriction ropes on them and they are sweet. If I was to buy these Muddys, I would grind off the back of the V's that keeps them from pivoting, just like I did on my Gorillas. I am not going to take away from what Todd says he likes, I just know what I like in a climbing stick.

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AT the very least, i see my self getting one for the top step to use for setting the stand. For me, it's the STree saddle, so i may get two of these to put on each side of the tree for my "pivot" anchors.
Nice.

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I can tell you guys - the Muddy sticks won't slip. The reason - because tips of V-brackets are designed to "Grab" the tree after the initial movement that causes the rope to tighten, pulling the sticks even tighter to the tree. Ours are FAR less likely to move than the rotating V-bracket style design. They basically bit into the tree due to the small area of contact that is forced into the tree. The larger the contact point, the less grab - more slip. This is what is happening with the other mentioned designs.

When a V-bracket rotates it does two things; first, it takes the path of least resistance, and secondit causes torque on the bolts/ nuts. This loosens the nuts and bolts over a very short period of time - which has driven me friggen nuts over the years. They are never tight enough!

When taking the path of least resistance, this doesn't always translate into a secure fit on a tree. This is part of the reason why we also have the shorter sticks. I can't tell you how many times I've pulled the bottom of my sticks out after having them secured. This is not as likely to happen with a fixed V-bracket on a shorter stick. It is safer!because you don't have nearly as long of a "lever" to pull or push the stick out.