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Well LT..here are my mods I would do ..take it or leave it. Best carrier for the money is a Fieldline pack in Fusion camo at Wally world on sell now for $15-16 reg $20. Amazingly comfortable and high quality pack and Zip strip it to your platform bottom and it will just hang upside down while u hunt. Great camo pattern and the gray blends in well. Then the other mod is to ditch the upper you have and get a hand climber upper and you will have the perfect bowhunting climber, plus u will lose 3 lbs of weight which is a nice deal, considering the handclimber upper is a better seat to bowhunt out of. . Here is the fieldline mounted on my Alpha hangon. Your bottom is the same exact bottom they use on the Alpha. Screw the shoulder straps, a pack mounted like I did is VERY COMFORTABLE.

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Isn't the camo pattern facing the wrong way to be of any aid to you in that regard?

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The sides of the camo show once it is hanging

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Nice tip, muzzy.

Another thing you may want to do is look at where the two sections contact each other when assembled for packing and put some moleskin on those contact points.

I'd buy the XL traction belts, too -- especially if you follow my advice in the first post and flip those screws over so the bolts won't prohibit the belts from going further down into the platform arms. Matt jokingly said once on here that I could set up in a lollypop stick-sized tree... he's right. If it's big enough to not bend over from my weight, I can get in it.

Take some flat black spray paint (the .97 Wal Mart variety works great for this) and streak the outer flat partof that stand; they dull it down at the factory, but it's prone to wearing off and catching a glint of sunlight. The streaks of black are all it needs.

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Have had to do this a few times myself. Once because my platform was angled up to much, and the other because it was angled down to far. Not as hard as it seems, and Jeff described the technique perfectly.

Shane

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:DAnd all this time i thought you were a rookie :D[8D][8D]

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I have not found any problems with the tape holding any scent. I would be far more concerned with the odor produced by painting my stand than I would be with adding tape to it [&:].

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I painted it before the season started. So did LW;).

Anything porous can/will hold scent. Why do people wear rubber boots?

Take it or leave it.....but don't think I willy-nilly threw it out there.;)

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That's true, even the seat will hold scent. I typically spray any porous materials, even the paint as the uneven surface can trap odor,with scent killer and then leave my stands/sticks outside under cover (carport generally)all season. It seems to work.

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Man those stands are expensive!!! They are sold out everywhere ...... the biggest complaint I have seen, is the seat ..... is it uncomfortable???

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I never thought you "willy-nilly" threw it out there. I am telling you from experience that in three seasons of hunting with it, the numerous deer killed out of it didn't notice the tape on it.;)

In the business I am in we do a lot of painting. I understand that Lone Wolf did apply paint to my stand before it got to me. They also applied a clear coat over that paint. I think you you stated that you spray painted yours. Those are two different processes that yield two different results (scent wise). As a test, spray paint a pc. of metal, then on one half, apply a sealer over the paint. Let it sit outside and after a few days tell me which one still has an odor. I don't care if you painted your stand a year a ago, whether you can detect it or not, the paint still has an odor if it hasn't been sealed.

Take it or leave it from a guy who paints wood and metal in and out of a shop every week.;)

I'm not just throwing it out there willy-nilly.;)

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I suppose then I should have been worried about:

1. Crested arrows
2. Glue on my fletchings and inserts
3. etc....

But I'm not. I'm concerned about anything porous that will hold HUMAN scent.

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This is a classic example of your childishness (which is indeed a word) that describes you so well. YouALWAYS have to get the last word in,much like a child.:D

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But you got the last word ei. No wait I did....I don't know I can't keep up.

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EI....what's childish about stating why I do what I do (after it's questioned)? Did it make too much sense for you (my reply)?

Really....you need need to get off my ankles.

Don't you have a loaded gun to clean?

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Let me be clear, I understand that numerous things we all take to the tree with us are painted. If you think that all of those things are completely scent free you are sadly mistaken. Just because you cannot detect an odor does not mean an odor is not present.

Jeff, to think that your painted items give off no scent and then say that you are concerned with "porous" materials like tape makes as much sense as a submarine with screen doors. I assume you spray down with some sort of scent killing spray, right? I spray my stand whenever I head to the woods and for the most part, it stays outside for the majority of the season. I think those two things pretty much take care of any issues with that God awful, porous duck tape holding any unwanted scent.

I take every step I can to keep my scent to minimum and feel that my success in the field indicates that I must be doing o.k. We could sit here and pick apart every little item we take with us that may or may not be completely scent free and debate those things individually, but I do not possess the time, desire or patience to do so. All I can tell you is the modification I made to the the rail has made the stand more comfortable, more quiet and easier to pack. Those benefits have helped me to enjoy the stand more than I did before I made the modification and so far I have not seen any of the ill effects you are so desperately trying to prove are there.

LT-I apologize for the hijack. It seems I have allowed myself to get into one of those side debates that often make me quit reading an otherwise informative thread. I really think you would find the sitting rail mod. I suggested to be helpful. Good luck with your stand, it is definitely the best climber I have ever used.

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If a deeris catching scent froma stand in a tree they can also smell the person who is sitting in it.

I really don't think these stands put outalot ofscent after they have been sitting outdoors for awhile.

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I don't care what my clothes smell like(they usually smell like loins cooking in garlic and olive oil), treestand, bow, fletches, glue on my nocks, porus, non porus materials, paint, or what my butt smells like(roses, to answer your curiosity). I hunt the wind and use no sprays, no scents, no airing my clothes out, and no carbon clothing.....how do I kill deer constantly with such disregard? It is called "Hunting the Wind" Deer are going to smell u if you don't setup right with the wind in your favor. Some dumb paint on your stand..who cares:eek:

This isn't directed at anybody either, I want to make that clear. You guys just get way too wrapped up in this scent issue imo

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Trust me... sometimes I still wonder! ;):D

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Brett....the difference is (that either I didn't point out well....or you missed) is....why add something to your stand that will hold more HUMAN scent? That was my question.

That's it. Period. Forget I painted mine.

I don't think (and I'm not trying to be a smartass) deer have a propensity to be alerted to "paint" smell as much as they do human scent. I honestly (in retrospect) don't think they can smell the paint, after it's been up and down 80+ times....sprayed with scent killer numerous times....left out all night several times.....rained on several times....etc...

But hey I don't know paint. I'll take your word for it.;)

If they can.....there's a lot of people (in this thread) who've killed upwards of probably 15+ deer, this season, out of LW's we've added paint to.

Still not saying they can't smell it.

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Jeff, I do get what you are trying to say and I apologize for this turning into a pissing contest. I agree that deer get used to a paint smell, it goes away over time, etc. Hell, I hunt out of painted stands too. I guess I just got a little defensive on the tape thing. I am just trying to point out that duck tape, while the edges may be porous, the vinyl covered side is not. The tape over time, just like the paint, after being sprayed and left out in the woods looses much of it's smell and it's ability to "hold" scent. I truly have never had any concerns about it holding any of my scent and to my knowledge it never has.

I agree with HCH on the fact that I think we all get a little too caught up in the scent elimination game. Bottom line is to take all of the precautions you can, but the main thing is to put the wind in your face. If a deer gets behind you on your downwind side all the precautions in the world may or may not help. In 23 yrs. of doing this I have had it go both ways.

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Common ground.

My apologies, as well.....and Merry Christmas to you and yours.:)

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Merry Christmas to you, your family and those who have had the misfortune of reading this debacle.:D

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Ok, so far I have these modifications to make.

1. I am wrapping the sit-bar with some of the camo hockey tape. (it has no odor, and besides, my stands always get sprayed with scent-killer and left outside all season)

2. Foot rests already purchased, just need to install.

3. Wolf Jaws (for Allegiance)

4. Gray Wolf Padded Backpack Straps

5. Turn bolts around. (Thanks Greg)

6. Will be purchasing XL Traction Belts after season.

Thanks for all the replies and suggestions.

Now, for my first climb, and observations. I believe I will like the seat (08 model) believe it or not. It is not a Summit seat, but I believe I could do an all day with it. I am having a hard time deciding what to do with the seat while climbing though, being you are so close to the tree. (Noise issue) I can see where GregMO's advice on the screws will benefit on smaller trees for sure. The lightness of the top section will take some getting acquainted with. The support straps will be ok. I really do not see me needing the full length though. (I am only 5'9"[&o]) They do offer a secure, solid feel to the stand once you are set up. The sit/climb bar is ok. I really like the capability to fold it down once at hunting height or leave it out front if desired. It is a source of noise if anything hard touches it though. I will be taking care of that immediately.

Other than these few issues, I love it. I put a pair of Summit Backpack straps on temp. and walked around with it. Love how it folds flat on your back. Lighter than the Viper. Not much, but seems easier to pack.

Any other suggestions always welcome.

Thanks, LT

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Do you stand when you hunt?
Do you shoot (ever) from a sitting position?

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I actually do both Jeff. It may be a little overkill, but I like the idea of having the bow that close in front of me in certain situations without having to hold it. Other times it may be hanging on the bow hook.

Why the question?

LT

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hardcorehunter said it best. Hunt the wind. I have painted my Summit in a cool Predator style camo when I first got it. I did this over the winter and left it outside most of the year to air out and let the paint cure. It doesn't have any smell to it. At least not that I can tell.

In any event, this scent free game is getting out of hand IMO. Everything we take to the woods smells, I don't care what we do. I just try to keep it to a minimum and hunt the wind. I believe deer have an acceptable level of human scent before they go on alert. Can they recognize the slight smell of paint and associate it with humans? I seriously doubt it.

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Robert, I'm not familure with the bow you'll be using, but with my Vectrix I found that by making a template of theWolf Jaw and putting it under the original (actually doubling it as in this pic) one, it allows the bow to lean more forward so as not to crowd you. Also, unless it makes you feel safer:D, (because it doesn't MAKE you safer,I would fold that sit bar up under the seat, keeping it out of the way for the reason you mentioned. Don't forget to file those grippers.;)

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EI, can you send me some close-up photos of the teeth and what exactly you mean? I saw the one pic you sent, but could not tell a lot about it.

Thanks, LT

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Because I thought the LW bow holder was a cool idea, too.....until I thought about what would happen if it was in the holder and I was standing. I stand a LOT more than I sit, these days.

I use a bow hook and place it where I can reach it from a sitting or standing position. If I sat all the time.....I'd use the holder like EI has.

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I think this might be a little better to see what I mean. Those platforms come from a poured mold, and generally the edges are only so pointy. By filing them with a flat file you can get them much sharper/more pointed for a superior grip. Simply do the same thingwith the seat section.

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Thanks EI. Will do.

Jeff, I see where you are coming from. I will always have a bow hook anyways for my pack/quiver. I will give an update after I try it.

LT

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You're right Jeff. If you stand mostly,that bow holder is pretty much worthless. I sit until I see a deer coming, then I grab my bow and very slowly stand (most of the time)for the shot.I find I'll figit (sp)much less, especially on an all day sit, if I'm sitting. Just me.

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I have never used the LW brand bowholder that goes in the platform so I can't comment on it's effectiveness. It says that it works on most bows. This bowholder on my Lone Wolf works on ALL bows. Where I hunt we have high winds at times and also exremely calm conditions. At no time has the wind attemped to blow my bows out of this holder, nor has this bow holder made any kind of noise while removing my bow in extreme quiet no wind conditions. Works slick and is very easy to use. Cheap, available at almost any store, and installs in minutes. I started off with this mount on my left side up close to the rear of the stand. It affected my ability to sprawl out my long legs. I mounted it to the front left and it is perfect. easy to access my bow and doesn't affect my leg movement.

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Don, that looks like a good hook-up for the bow. And out of the way as well. The built in bow holder on the LW doesn't hold most of the split limb bows, that's why they came out with the Wolf Jaws.Oh yea, that Yukon Moose trip sounds awesome! I'm sure that's a pricey one.;)

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Guys don't get upset when I state my opinions.;)

Greg, maybe if later I get the XL belts but with the standard belts I dare not to climb in smaller trees than I already do:).

EI, I see no need to file the teeth because the LW is not going anywhere. To get over a hump or knot in a tree while going back down, I've litterally jumped the hump a few times. I've also climbed trees I wouldn't dare with other climbers(such as icy or slick trees). But what makes it work better for you is what matters.:)

Also..............it may be nice to know the platform can be adjusted in the air if need be, but I have honestly only needed to once but didn't. If I am going to climb a tree that is quite large at the base and I plan on going really high, I will place the stand headhigh and then climb up on the platform making it unnecessary to level the platform at hunting height. The other day in the riverbottoms I had to get higher than I really like due to the leaves being gone and the woods in this bottom is pretty open. My hoist rope is exactly 30' long. When I reached my chosen height I looked down and the hoist rope had just barely started lifting my bow up. I don't like being that high while hunting, but I was:eek:.

Anyway, just some things I do or I guess don't do.

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I welcome other people's opinions. You're absolutely right, you don't "need" to do any ofthese suggested things to the LW stand. They simply help a little bit.You can't say that seat section won't slip from time to time though.;) That's why I put a screw-in hook behind and under that traction belt. But, you don't need to do this either I guess.:D

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Using a screw in hook is a good idea. I used to use a bungi cord and just wrapped around the belt, but I now find using the sidestraps I don't even need to do that. Of course up until a couple years ago I never even used sidestraps, that was dumb tho I never dropped the platform.

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Sorry guys, just needed to ressurect this thread for a question. What is the difference in the old Cam-loks for the traction belts and the new Cam-loks? The ones on mine seem to be pretty dang stiff. Are the new ones easier on the fingers?

Thanks, LT