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We have a lot of Amish down our way too and although they use their animals hard, the treat them well in return. HOWEVER, when the Amish hunt...its another game. They go in with a group, drive the woods and shoot whatever they see. Okay, that's fine because I know to them its meat on the table, nothing more and part of what gets them through hard times. But, what I don't like and have personally seen is that if they shoot a deer and don't see if fall or come across it in their walking drive line...they will not look for it. In our early ML season one young Amish boy shot at a nice buck and when I questioned him about it and if he had hit it he said "no". I asked how he knew and his answer was "It did not look hit". I ask him if he had bothered to check for blood or hair and he said "no, it did not look hit".
Okay, this is not a thread on the Amish so I'll bow out, but as much as I respect the Amish, the behavior they display over hunting is disrespectful.

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I gotta give you credit, I ask myself the same question sometimes.

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Won't find a debate from me!

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When it all boils down to it, the deer is dead, and they dont care how they died or what happens afterwards. I dont think they care, honesty, myself, I wouldnt either. When I die I will loose the ability to care im sure so whatever happens happens, deer have even less of an understanding than that. All it is, is lights out for them, and thats all.

Really the only reason we take "quality" pictures is to please ourselves and others, not the deer, deer dont care. Same with mouting them, and even eatting them. I highly doubt they worry about what happens when they die, they dont even know what death is.

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Well said Schultzy!

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Sure I respect deer but do I respect them like a veteran or dear old dad not a chance.After I sit for a few minuteswith the fallen beast I take him home and eat him. I want to do the right thing but sometimes we look at things to deeply here.

Every hunt doesn't have to bring out some bigmoral dilema. It's just hunting. The woods are not green and brown but rather black and grey.

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I've said the same thing for a long time and have been slammed for even suggesting we just killed the thing and now we're going to eat it. Christine, can I stop by for supper. I see someone else likes to occcasionally mix it up country fried. Do you ever do that and then smoother it in gravy?

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It's all about moderation.

For those of you who say it's just a deer, a dead animal carcass...do you go up and kick it and laugh afterwards? No, because it is disrespectful.

For those of you who say it's disrespectful to throw it in a truck bed, or overa hood...why? Do you make it a casket like bigcountry said and give it a proper burial? No because that too is weird and creepy.

A deer is far more than a chunk of meat but far less than a fellow man. I agree 100% that today's society seems to place animals as equals to us humans, which is absurd.



My stance, Im in the middle of the road. I clean the deer up for a nice hero shot, just for my personal photos and memories...it is more tasteful than a bloodbath garage pic, to me anyway. I don't view the animal as anything more than what it is, a surviving creature. It is an animal, not to be confused with a human with a soul, an animal. I won't abuse one or disrespect a dead deer I've killed either though.


I have to agree though Rybo, some guys are just creepy with how much they revere and worship these animals.

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The ancient eastern philosophers would agree TEmbry.

As far as respecting a whitetail. I absolutely respect them.. that's why I eat them. That and they taste good.

I take only what I can eat.. and no more. If thats not respect I don't know what is.

Whats this thread about anyway?

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Just for clarification.What I meant by throwing it in to a pick up truck bed had to do with filth.Nothing else.I would expect that most of us intend to eat what we kill.I am not going to put the body of a deer on top on engine grease,household garbage and other like things.
I am fine with the balance that I believe I have with the respect that I have for deer and how I care for the meat after the kill.
With things being typed here it is impossible to tell the tone or intent of some one's message.The animal get's it due from me nothing more,nothing less!

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I gotcha, and had to read your first post to see what this one meant. I wasn't directing it towards you.

I agree, once the body cavity is opened, care for the meat should be of utmost concern.

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I don't care what people think about me and my ways of honoring deer. It is personal.

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Here's where I agree 100%. I see guys who just want to kill to kill and then struggle to find a place to donate them. Thats not cool. IMO.

If someone I know personally asks me to kill one for them, I might. But this whole thing of killing 6 does/fawns and then just dropping off at hunters for the hungry, I just don't agree with. I would find it disrespectful.

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Thats not much different than farming....

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Feeding venison to people who need food is somehow disrepectful? What difference does it make it eats the deer?

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Its my opinion. You don't agree, thats life. If I want to feed someone, I will donate money to the foodbank. People mostly do it because they want to kill something, not because they want to feed the poor.

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Giving food to folks who need it would never be considered disrespectful. However, I can see where killing a deer you don't need and don't want could be frowned upon.

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No disrespect towards anyone.

But no truer (if thats a word) words have been spoken.

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I can only assume that this was aimed mostly at me....lol.

Wanna kill something? Wanna know how many deer I passed on this year?

There's an important piece of this puzzle that's getting conveniently ignored. Do they need killing? I guess I'm damned to get caught in the crossfire. People want to belittle my hunting....citing the deer herd numbers, here. And when you try to thin it.....you get chastised for that, too.

Rest assured.....there is ALWAYS someone here that needs food.

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You killed with a purpose though, not just to kill. Its not like you just went out the and blew a few away and said huh, now what? Your argument makes sence.

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Jeff, there will ALWAYS be a critic ........ besides, there is nothing wrong with going out to kill your intended target ;)

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Actually no. There is a bunch of people I see do this not on this page. Some who I am kinda shocked, because they are elders in my church. Paris, everything on this forum is not about you. Holy cow man, are you really this self absorbed?

Believe me, if I had a neighbor or co-worker come up to me and tell me thier family needed the meat, going thru hard times, starving and asked me to kill a deer, first thing I would do is go buy them a grocery store gift certificate (reasonable amount I could afford), then if I saw a deer that was suitable and easy shot, I would shoot it for them and butcher it for them.

There is a big difference in someone asking your help, and someone who just wants to kill something, or think they are managing a herd, and now they feel stuck with a deer they didn't want.

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" People mostly do it because they want to kill something, not because they want to feed the poor."


For the money spent on Hunting every year, you could go buy a cow for meat. Every one of us does it because we like to hunt and yes "kill".

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Of coursepeople want to kill something...we are talking about hunting arent' we???

Apersonbuys a tag...kills a deer...and then someone eats it. Still not seeing the problem here.

Was it disprespectfull when I gave my sister (not a hunter)some venison burger recently since she likes to eat it and has little $ since she is in college?

I don't have alot of extra $ to give to the poor...but it is pretty easy for me to come up with an extra deer to donate to the MN food pantry. It just sounds crazy to me that this would be looked down upon...especially considering the fact that the hunters in MN (where I hunt) almost never meet the deer harvest goals set out by the state each season. They make tags available for a reason...to kill deer.

my .02

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duplicate

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Big difference between wanting to kill, and killing because you actually like the meat, and enjoy being outdoors.

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Tell yourself anything you want, BC. Your God knows how petty you're being.;)

Remember it's not paranoid if it's true.

I posted a thread a few days ago asking about what I could do with the meat....to extend my season. To which you chastised me for once, already. You took another pot-shot, today.

"Critic", PT?

"Stalker", more like.:D

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Yep. I'm already on the record somewhere in the past as saying that I enjoy the kill.:)

GMMAT's point on herd management wasvalid.WhereI hunt in Hardeman County, TN, the antlerless limit is 3 per day, and theyWANT us to use it. The deer population there is out of control. My goal this yearis to put 7-8 deer in the freezer (yes we'll eat it all). I'm at 6 now. What will I do when I get to 8? I'll keep hunting and go for does on our lease in Hardeman county. I know a lot of folks who would love to have some venison, and could use the food. In addition to that, I'll be doing my part to help get the deer population in check by doing what I love to do - hunting for deer,killing them and making someone else's day by delivering a bag of already processed venison.

GMMAT, just so you know, when I said it could be frowned upon, I'll be in that group with you.

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So if I filled your freezer with Venison every year, would you give up hunting. There are alot of other things you can do to enjoy the outdoors, and you wouldnt need the meat. Or would you still feel the want to hunt? If so, it could only be for the "kill".

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Again, I was here on this page since the late 90's. Long before you picked up a bow. Not everything on this forum is about you as much as you struggle to make everything about you. Are you really this pitiful and petty?

I don't agree with your methods or reasons, why should I agree with it when it comes to my friends or people I know in real life and not on this page?

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I donate several deer each year to friends/neighbors. Several reasons, they all like the venison. One guy is in his 80's and in no shape to be out hunting. He's very happy when I call him with a deer. Apparently my "need to kill and not eat it" isn't PC, even among some of the hunting crowd.:eek:

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Not at all, I would bluntly tell you to keep your meat, and only kill what you can eat, as I can fend for myself. And while I can fend for myself, I will kill for myself. Lots of things I can do outdoors, but I prefer to hunt and fend for myself.

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Which part don't you agree with?

1. The need to thin does from an unbalonced herd?

or

2. The gesture of donating meat to those who either NEED it or WANT it?

Which act is "disrespectful" (if they both aren't to you)?

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It seems like a reach that I should give up the sport I love so dearly because I give away 90% of the meat. I don't toss it by the side of the road and it gets utilized.

Let's get rid of hunters feeding the hungry. It's clear the guys sending the meat are in it just for the kill. What a pompous stretch.

I trust the people stressing their own complete morality while hunting live the rest of their lives just as decently.

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Sounds kind of "elitist" to me, also.

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Jeff, obviously you didn't read dukes littlechiefs postabove on the matter. Again, its not about you. You keep saying you could care less what I think, so why again are you asking me?

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Because I'm a little ashamed to say it.....but it's funny watching a guy the size of Chris Farley squirm. I don't blame you if you don't answer the question. It's a tough one....and I didn't expect anything less.

You've proven to be (roght here in this thread) what you seemingly despised, just yesterday. You've proven to be an "elitist".

Must be atall fella to be able to get on this horse.

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Oh yea, is that right? Internet tough guy. How sad you are.

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