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gri22ly 12-02-2008 11:32 AM

RE: DNR
 

ORIGINAL: TEmbry


ORIGINAL: gri22ly

KY. is awesome!!!!!!

I need some help, I can't remember KY. being a two buck state.[&o]

I did not hunt for a few years in the "90"s. Was it a two buck state for a short time then?[&:]
I'd have to ask my Dad, but Im fairly certain back when he hunted it was a 2 buck state...maybe I was confused. He quit hunting late 80s though, so It would be awhile ago. Ive been hunting since 1999 or 2000, and as you know...1 buck state since I have been around.
Nope, 1 buck statethrough the 60s, 70s and 80s.

Michbowhunter 12-02-2008 12:23 PM

RE: DNR
 

ORIGINAL: DropTine249


Personally, I just don't understand the logic, and I think Trevor makes a very valid point, "why Sunday, why not Tuesday or some other day?"
I dont know why Sunday is the day that was picked. Remember, this is the way its always been in NJ and many other States. Perhaps it is a Religious thing, if so, I can understand and agree with that.

Perhaps its to give hikers, trail riders, bird watchers, flower pickers, dirt kissers, tree huggers, spider catchers, snake enthusiasts, bark biters, tree climbers, joggers, wildlife wannalookers, stream drinkers, fish finders, squirrel lovers, those with arabbit habit, children that like poison ivy, poison oak jokers,thorn revengers, leaf lickers, pine smellers, twig picker uppers, tenacious turkey followers, bank fishermen or anyone else that wants to enjoy the woods without fear of hunting related accidents a chance to enjoy the publicoutdoors.

Not sure..but whatever the reason, that is the day that was deemed no hunting.
That's funny!

KodiakArcher 12-02-2008 01:16 PM

RE: DNR
 
I voted yes but given that there are so many different game animals over such a huge expanse of country there are going to be the hot spots that could be managed better. My pet peeve right now is tha tthe reindeer herds on the south end of Kodiak Island are open year round with no limit. USF&W wants them irradicated from the island yet they've been on the island for longer than any of the other introduced species (blacktail, mtn. goat, elk). It's ridiculous interagency politics at work in game regulation again. I just wish we could all keep the politics out of game management, no matter where you are.

KodiakArcher 12-02-2008 01:19 PM

RE: DNR
 

ORIGINAL: DropTine249


Personally, I just don't understand the logic, and I think Trevor makes a very valid point, "why Sunday, why not Tuesday or some other day?"
I dont know why Sunday is the day that was picked. Remember, this is the way its always been in NJ and many other States. Perhaps it is a Religious thing, if so, I can understand and agree with that.

Perhaps its to give hikers, trail riders, bird watchers, flower pickers, dirt kissers, tree huggers, spider catchers, snake enthusiasts, bark biters, tree climbers, joggers, wildlife wannalookers, stream drinkers, fish finders, squirrel lovers, those with arabbit habit, children that like poison ivy, poison oak jokers,thorn revengers, leaf lickers, pine smellers, twig picker uppers, tenacious turkey followers, bank fishermen or anyone else that wants to enjoy the woods without fear of hunting related accidents a chance to enjoy the publicoutdoors.

Not sure..but whatever the reason, that is the day that was deemed no hunting.
It's one of the old Blue Laws. Do some research on how NY got rid of banned Sunday hunting and do the same thing in your state. It's politics, not management.

MATHEWS PA BOWHUNTER 12-02-2008 01:41 PM

RE: DNR
 
not completelly, i wished they would / could do alot more


PA GAME COMMISSION......huh

NY/Al 12-02-2008 02:00 PM

RE: DNR
 

ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher


ORIGINAL: DropTine249


Personally, I just don't understand the logic, and I think Trevor makes a very valid point, "why Sunday, why not Tuesday or some other day?"
I dont know why Sunday is the day that was picked. Remember, this is the way its always been in NJ and many other States. Perhaps it is a Religious thing, if so, I can understand and agree with that.

Perhaps its to give hikers, trail riders, bird watchers, flower pickers, dirt kissers, tree huggers, spider catchers, snake enthusiasts, bark biters, tree climbers, joggers, wildlife wannalookers, stream drinkers, fish finders, squirrel lovers, those with arabbit habit, children that like poison ivy, poison oak jokers,thorn revengers, leaf lickers, pine smellers, twig picker uppers, tenacious turkey followers, bank fishermen or anyone else that wants to enjoy the woods without fear of hunting related accidents a chance to enjoy the publicoutdoors.

Not sure..but whatever the reason, that is the day that was deemed no hunting.
It's one of the old Blue Laws. Do some research on how NY got rid of banned Sunday hunting and do the same thing in your state. It's politics, not management.
Separation of church and state....right?

wis_rifle_hunter 12-02-2008 03:39 PM

RE: DNR
 
i would have to say no. the wisconsin dnr have their heads up their butts. just my opinion

vindog 12-02-2008 05:27 PM

RE: DNR
 
Wisconsin DNR has ruined a great tradition here. Hunting camps used to be full of people with happiness and excitement. Now everyone seems to be upset and grumpy because there is no deer, especially up in the northwoods. I have noticed the last 3 or 4 years have been getting worse and worse, but after this year i will not be buying a gun tag for next year.

TFOX 12-02-2008 05:32 PM

RE: DNR
 

ORIGINAL: gri22ly

KY. is awesome!!!!!!

I need some help, I can't remember KY. being a two buck state.[&o]

I did not hunt for a few years in the "90"s. Was it a two buck state for a short time then?[&:]

Yes,there was a year or 2 in the early 90's when 2 bucks were allowed.I actually think it was only 1 year.

TFOX 12-02-2008 05:36 PM

RE: DNR
 

ORIGINAL: DropTine249

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Now, I totally understand your arguement, many guys(myself included) would be able to hunt a little more, should Sunday hunting be legal in NJ. Really, we need a days break, per week. Any day would really work, but given the fact that MANY more hunters would take to the woods during the weekend, I feel, for quality sake, that Sunday is the day to deem no hunting.

Actually,I think you miss the point,there are people that do NOT get to hunt AT ALL because of this rule.

If it is about pressure,close the whole season for a week then open it back up.BUT,I imagine the deer NEED to be killed for management reasons but I am speculating here.

Besides,imo,the pressure is off the deer enough during the week.

davidmil 12-02-2008 05:42 PM

RE: DNR
 
I voted NO... but feel a need for a BECAUSE. Because politics has gotten into so many DNRs and State legislatures. BECAUSE,... so much lobbying has been done by people with a cause... whether it be an Xbow or an anti and yes at times even QDM. Wildlife management has become politics. DNRs are underfunded and always will be. They're run day to day by people who went in with ideals but find themselves caught in a war of politics. It's sad. Support when you can.

TFOX 12-02-2008 05:44 PM

RE: DNR
 


ORIGINAL: NY/Al


ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher


ORIGINAL: DropTine249


Personally, I just don't understand the logic, and I think Trevor makes a very valid point, "why Sunday, why not Tuesday or some other day?"
I dont know why Sunday is the day that was picked. Remember, this is the way its always been in NJ and many other States. Perhaps it is a Religious thing, if so, I can understand and agree with that.

Perhaps its to give hikers, trail riders, bird watchers, flower pickers, dirt kissers, tree huggers, spider catchers, snake enthusiasts, bark biters, tree climbers, joggers, wildlife wannalookers, stream drinkers, fish finders, squirrel lovers, those with a rabbit habit, children that like poison ivy, poison oak jokers, thorn revengers, leaf lickers, pine smellers, twig picker uppers, tenacious turkey followers, bank fishermen or anyone else that wants to enjoy the woods without fear of hunting related accidents a chance to enjoy the public outdoors.

Not sure..but whatever the reason, that is the day that was deemed no hunting.
It's one of the old Blue Laws. Do some research on how NY got rid of banned Sunday hunting and do the same thing in your state. It's politics, not management.
Separation of church and state....right?

Actually NO,it isn't,there is no such thing.It is actually


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

dukemichaels 12-02-2008 05:48 PM

RE: DNR
 

ORIGINAL: Illinois Buck Hunter

The Illinois DNR is a JOKE
We don't have a DNR really. So don't get me started.

[:@]

Schultzy 12-02-2008 05:50 PM

RE: DNR
 
Rob nailed It!!

DNR= Politics!

Germ 12-02-2008 05:58 PM

RE: DNR
 
MI runs into the "sound" science and "social" science issues no matter what they do.

If they give out to many doe permits because the science shows to do so. The social science of hunters not seeing deer whack them on the head.

When social science is used and deer numbers increased. The sound science of to many deer damage habitat hits them in the head.

Here is how I look at it now. The DNR is not the Department of Hunters Satisfaction. So they may make rules that bug me, but as long as they put the herd first I am good.

They did ban baiting:D

MichiganWhitetails74 12-02-2008 06:36 PM

RE: DNR
 
I found a sickly 9 point in velvet in my father-in-laws back yard in August. It was 1 week after the CWD alert in Kent County and all baiting was banned.

The DNR would not come out...Sheriff station did not respond...they said to call 911...They came out and shot it in the head ( I was not there) and left the deer there.

That was it for me.

However - On the flip side...I would not be too quick to judge the DNR...Do we really know what there job entails? Some of us might...but not all of us.

golfpro 12-02-2008 06:40 PM

RE: DNR
 
No very poor job in Wisconsin. Earn a buck is a joke. People shooting bucks, driving to other game management units then registering there deer. I have hunted Wis for 30 years there are pockets of deer on some private parcels but for the most parts the herd is way down. Lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit.We need to send them a message.

passthrough24 12-02-2008 07:16 PM

RE: DNR
 
The Wisconsin DNR has done a very poor job...hunting in northern wisconsin has been destroyed...I dont understand the upside from their perspective of eliminating deer from that part of the state, very little farmland to be destroyed, lots of land for deer to roam, very few roads for car kills, and they even have the wolves to thin them out if they would get "overpopulated"

davidmil 12-02-2008 07:38 PM

RE: DNR
 

ORIGINAL: passthrough24

The Wisconsin DNR has done a very poor job...hunting in northern wisconsin has been destroyed...I dont understand the upside from their perspective of eliminating deer from that part of the state, very little farmland to be destroyed, lots of land for deer to roam, very few roads for car kills, and they even have the wolves to thin them out if they would get "overpopulated"
Aren't they trying to stop the spread of CWD or something in that area????????? That would explain extermination.

passthrough24 12-02-2008 07:45 PM

RE: DNR
 
the CWD has been pretty much in the southern part of the state....besides that, the outright slaughter of all female deer is far greater danger to the population than CWD

mboettcher 12-02-2008 08:36 PM

RE: DNR
 
Wisconsin has blown it BIG TIME!!! In my area, northeast Wisconsin, about 5 or 6 years ago deer numbers seemed to be at an acceptable level for all, hunters, motorists, foresters. As a hunter I would have liked to see more but I understand they have to be at a level that will accomodate all. But the DNR kept increasing doe tags and doe seasons and have almost wiped out the herd now. I don't mind a sit or two without seeing deer but when you hunt hard doing all day sits for 6, 8, 10 days at a time and don't see a deer, something is wrong. This isn't just me, people I talk to have the same results, good, experienced,succesful hunters who know their areas and hunt hard. I don't think the DNRactually wants to decimate the deer herd like they are, I don't think they realize they are doing it. All their antlerless quotas and doe seasons are based on population estimates using SAK, which for anyone that has followed their estimates over the years and spent as much time as I do in the woods studying deer knows that these numbers are not even close to being accurate. And of course any hunter input falls on deaf ears, were not hunting hard enough orare in the wrong spots.It's really hard after a while to find the motivation to crawl out of bed and go sit in a treestand anymore knowing most likely I am going to see the usual.....nothing!!!! I don't like to tell anyone that they are failing, andI'm sure these peopletake pride in what they do, but in this case they have absolutely blown it and I think we can expect more of the same because from what they are now saying we are headed in the right direction, not quite there yet. It's going to be some rough hunting in Wisconsin for years to come. What a shame.

Oneshot7 12-02-2008 08:59 PM

RE: DNR
 
As I have said before, I beleive I can do a better job than the quack wildlife biologists and lawmakers in the NC DNR right now, and I plan to be shortly after I graduate. They have no idea what they are doing to the herd.

We can take 4 bucks out of the herd and unlimited does, yet we still have way more bucks killed a year than we do does. Next year will bring about a universal season to the whole state, and there will be a 3 month gun season through everyones rut. No real way of reporting our kills around here :eek:, so there are countless bucks never reported, countless deer I should say. They are all about pleasing the numbers and quotas given to them by the insurance companies, but dont want to throw the Bow Hunters a bone, much less the hunters that actually do what they are suppossed to. Fishing Regs are the same way, I could argue on those all day. Ill live with it until I can change it, but is it so much to ask for antler restrictions for Christmas [8D]
Brent


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