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For me, the same reason you invite as many folks as you do to your home, Jeff.

I doubt I would drop two G's for a guided whitetail hunt, but I'm planning on dropping about a grand or a little over this next fall to go hunt bears in MN with Kyle. I've got bears here I could hunt for much less, but I'd rather spend the money and get a chance to meet/hunt with someone I've developed a friendship with over the boards. Hell, I don't care much if I actually stick a bear or not, it'll be a blast either way.

Then again, I'm one of the folks who wants to hunt the Dark Continent anyway. [8D]

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You only get one stint on this rock. Some people try and make the most of it by hunting many different critters. Some guys make the most of it by hunting one critter over and over again. Whatever you find enjoyable, go for it. I do think that some guys sell themselves a little short on doing/trying things that they may come to find very enjoyable. The older I get, the more I experience, the more i want to go places and hunt different animals.

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BTW, Andy....

This thread has NO bearing on me wanting to come to MD and hunt.....lol. I'm still game if we can work it out. It's more than killing a whitetail as to why I'd love to comem though. First off....my season here would be over. Second....the time I spent with you and your MD bretheren was really cool. That's a big part of it.;)

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See my last post, Dan. I concur on your reasoning (not that it matters). Just saying I understand, fully.

Rybo...

I had a conversation with my wife the other night about this (kinda). I told her there were SO MANY things I wish I could"learn"...."see"...."hear"...."experience"... .that I would die never having done so. That bothers me.

I see things differently at 44 than I did at even 34. I want to do some things before I kick the bucket.

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And hell, that is before the outfitter fee.

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I know you didn't infer that. I was calling myself boring. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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I'll repost for a response ....



How so, Jeff? Why is that inflammatory ..... and what does me being a Preacher have anything to do with it??

well try just coming out and sayingwhat you meaninstead ofdoing your end-arounds:eek:

Your post made it sound like all those that chose to hunt whitetails was close-minded

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Who really cares to be honest?? I want to hunt some animals, but I don't have a drive to do it, if I never get to then oh well...whitetails are fine for me....but if a guy wants to hunt other animals then have at it... I would like to hunt russian boar or wild hogs, don't know that I ever will though...but if I don't then it's ok...life will not be unfilled if I don't... Jeff, if you want to go to Zimbabwe to shoot a Giraffe then go, and if TreedNc wants to stay home and shoot whitetails, good ..if Preach wants to try and look like Germ in then let him.....:D

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a man can dream, can't he?:eek:[8D]

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I know....we can only dream....man Im glad my wife doesn't get on here and see a pic of Germ....:D

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For me.. someone who would rather hunt whitetail bucks in North America rather than chase other animals abroad.. it's about the dedication.

Not that the guy going to Africa doesn't have dedication.

But.. I am dedicated to improving my hunt of the whitetail buck and only the whitetail buck. To seek out and hunt the 3 yr olds.. then the 4 yr olds.. and followed by 5 yr olds and better. Quiks recent thread shows just how hard it truly is.. (sorta).

To improve to a point I am chasing only 150" animals.. then one day (hopefully) only 160" animals.. and to catch a glimpse of a 200" in the wild is truly something so few have witnessed and even fewer ever take with bow.

And all this will take my lifetime to complete. And even then it is NO given or guarantee that I have completed it at all.

I don't wish to be a "jack of all trades".. I would like to pursue master of one.

Gaining knowledge of this amazing animal.

And what better animal than the whitetail. Perhaps the most stunningly beautiful and adaptable creature on the face of the earth.

And the male of the species has a chorus of inches that are unlike any one of its kind. Each one individual as the animal who wears it.

So for me.. the choice is easy. To pursue older whitetail males on DIY hunts across the North American continent. To learn it all on his turf.

I'm so gay.[&:]

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Another of 'Jeff's finest' threads. For all practical purposes there are but 2 ways of thinking: Jeff's way, or the wrong way! ;)

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No finer words have been spoken.

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I'm surprised you didn't try to one-up Rybo Dan.:D

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Nope, I was saving that for your post! :D

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My mindset is that whitetails is what gets my blood stirring. There is nothing overseas that is worth spending the money on TO ME. Different strokes for different folks but I don't have any desire to hunt in Africa or anywhere else for that matter, at least right now. Right now, all I care about is big whitetails!!!

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Africa is absolutely on the radar, albeit in the "someday" category. I want to hunt elsewhere in the states though first, but even that is going to happen only after i kill a big deer in IL. I know, booners behind every tree...just not the trees I have apparently! As far as what others do, fine by me. There are a few things in the US I want to hunt, moose being #1, but I guess I don't have an oder to my pursuits, kind of whichever comes first.

You can do a safari for less than a guided elk hunt these days...ya for the USA...

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I am fortunate enough, for almost 10 years running, to be able to take off the middle of oct. thru dec. I hunt almost everyday during that time wether its am, pm, or both. Only with the bow, as I've never harvested a deer with a gun. I've got it bad, the fever that is. I have absolutely no desire though to hunt anything else, except elk. On top of the sickness Ihave,I would much rather give my hard earned cash to americans in america rather than send it overseas. So yeah, as soon as I am able to financially, I will be taking one of the six weeks or so that I have off, and heading somewhere to the land of giants with a fist full of hundreds and a dream.

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I pay Kansas $400 every year to go there and hunt ... and I wouldn't go if I didn't have good people who let me stay with them and farmers who let me hunt their land.

I'd never pay $2000 - ever. $2,000 is indicative of people who hunt outfitted and guided/leased lands and I just have a very hard time justifying that.

Western states have tens of millions of acres of public grounds - and yes, tags are high to hunt there but I can DIY elk hunt for $800 or so, DIY mule deer and antelope for $600 .... blue collar American hunting will die when its $2,000 minimum

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I gotta tell you something to consider though. I own land that is primarily used for hunting. I literally pay thousands in taxes for it. I also have other tracts that I have permission to hunt. Many times I think to myself that I could take two of these $2,000 trips per year that we are speaking of in prime whitetail land which would include lodging and meals. Or I could get a prime lease inmy area and keep it for myself and have some $$$ left over.

Granted, I could sell itand get most of my taxes back. But for the person that can not afford the price of the land up front and then maintain taxes.....

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this is exactly how I am looking at it. I am considering buying a camp with a small chunk of land(50-100 acres). As much fun as all the scouting would be and the feeling of owning(well the bank owning) some land for hunting would be, I could take a trip out west and hunt every year.Not to mention I would have to buy land upstate where I could afford it and then any time I wanted to use it would require a 2 to 3 hour drive each way which would get old real quick.

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IA....I don't care how YOU do it. Just don't make it seem like someone doing it "another" way is doing something "inferior"......because his waydoesn't fit into your cookie-cutter ideology.

Hunt any way you want....and keep an open mind to others. That was the jist of the thread.

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I thought the jist of the thread was for us to explain to you why we do/dont want to hunt african game?

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That may be the funniest spin I've ever seen you do here. Your posts as of late have become quite obnoxious and arrogant as has already been pointed out to you several times. While you may think you have elevated yourself to a point of privilege of talking down to forum members, I can assure you it won't have your desired affect with me.
You've gone from a respectable member here to a condenscending boob in short order. Grow up

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Do you guys read the threads.....or just form an opinion from the title? There's some pretty good stuff back in the pages (and a very simple explanation of my intention with this post). How do you put a spin on what's easily reviewed....if you'd take the time?

Tell ya what.....after you read it.....tell me the part you have an issue with.

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I think the point of the thread is because GMMAT gets bored easy

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Its not about the kill, or about the hunintg of the "Same animal"
For me its about the observation. Some of the things I see when I am in my stand, people wouldnt believe. and there is something special about that.
And every deer is differnent. To me i never saw the point of going into a hot arid environment, finding a watering hole, stalking up to it and shooting an animal.
Lets put it this way. There are numerous publications DEDICATED to whitetail deer. they are simply the most challenging game animal out there.
There is a couple mags dedicated to africa as a whole, and redstags might get an article. But there is nothing in the world like whitetail hunting. and if you are hunting just for the kill and only hunting "one animal" when you go out, I think you might be in it for the wrong reasons.

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I wonder if this thread will end up getting locked like the Rage customer service thread he started..............

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If people act immaturely....it will;)

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Just my opinion, but I would guess that the reason that there are more magazines dedicated to whitetails are because they are everywhere.

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You're not going to get an argument from me with this statement. I've said all along that a lot of folks need to open their horizons and explore different game and different weapons. I think they'd be surprised as to what's out there to hunt and how to hunt it. Some over seas and some right here in the good ole USA, and some of it is far more difficult than hunting Whitetail deer with a bow.;)


As for an African hunt for $2,000.00 or even $4,000.00? Why not?? I've spent far more than that on normal vacations, this would just be another....were I can hunt too!!:D

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Personally, I think there are plenty of animals immensely more challenging than a white-tailed deer. The zebra comes to mind, so does the leopard, kudu, capybara, bobcat, mt. lion, coyote and the list goes on. But to each his own.

Steve,

PM me and I 'll tell you how to kill a whole mess of critters in New Zealand for under $2000. It's not that hard.

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Interesting. Are you talking any whitetail deer or say a 150 plus buck that's been out in the woods for a few years? I'm interested to hear your take on this.

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Jeff, Will must have planted a big wild hair in your butt with his adventures abroad, right? Man, if you see or feel the need to do it, by all means, go for it. As someone has already stated, you only get one journey in this life. Make it count in whatever you do. jmho

On a side note, I will never pay that kind of loot to hunt Whitetail (or Blacktail). I would love however to be able to afford to hunt private or public land (out of state) DIY with friends/family.

LT

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LT....

Funny thing is....right now I'm not interested.

What I find mildly irritating are the ones who would talk down or discount another's choice to go there.....yet they'll say nothing (or heck....even do it, themselves) to their buddy who pays $2K to hunt an animal that's ranging freely out his back door.

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Jim,

I've killed 150 inch whitetail, yes they are tough to hunt. I have hunted my asre off for a zebra (any zebra) and haven't come close with my bow. It's all relative though. A 15 inch Mt. lion, a 20 black bear, a 65 inch moose. Pick one...they are all extremely difficult to hunt. I understand Jeff's point.this thread brings to mindthe old Meadowlark Lemon from the Harlem Globetrotters, remember him? Plenty of talent, no doubt about it... butman...the same game, same opponent, same court, same outcome...At what point do you switch it up?

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Don't misunderstand Will. I'm all for switching it up. I hope to do just that as time and money permits. My one little taste of going out west was a remarkable experience.

Really, I was just interested in your insight about the whitetail deer since you've hunted so many species of big game animals. I was just wondering where a big old mature buck like that fits in on your difficulty scale since you have a lot to compare him against.

Thanks...

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Huck, I will let you know when i get there!!! Im still not ready to quit chasing better bucks than the year before. I just think this thread has gotten out of hand once again... I personally believe that paying and outfitter in ILL to kill a certain "" buck is rediculous, and I think it does take away from the heart and soul of what hunting is about TO ME.but that's MY feeling about it, not going to redicule one for it, but not gonna High Five him either.... ...but knock yourself out if it floats ya boat... I won't respect the kill b/c you didn't do anything but make a shot.. no scouting, no leg work, etc.. on the other hand, if a guy wants to shoot animals not native to here, then he has no choice but to pay $$ to go somewhere else to do it, I have no problem with that...even if I did, so what ?? who the hell am I?? What I choose to hunt and what another guy chooses to hunt has no affect on the rest...why does everyone give a rat's ass how and where someone spends their money??

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I wouldn't pay that much to hunt deer anywhere else. But it is one of my dreams to go hunt elk out west with my bow.

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WOW.

That's a lotta information. My thread had nothing to do with this type feeling on my part. I'll pat 'em both on the back.