Hunt by numbers - revisited...
#12
One of my favorite posts.......
I don't know why but it definitely makes me chuckle.
Scientifically it's a TOUCH off here and there because it assumes you can actually hunt every inch of the target areas you describe and that deer can or will even populate them.......which does exactly "I have know idea" to the results.
But I thought I'd throw it out there.
In any event.....if you took MY PA season (Hell, LIFETIME
) numbers and entered them into the King's equation for the "Theory of Mature Buck Relativity" I'd probably swallow a gun barrel or take up lawn darts after seeing the resulting odds if I honestly expected to kill such a deer here.
If I look back at the 08' season , even in Illinois, thosenumbers and that breakdownprobably isn't far off. LOL
(But I'm still voting Gay just to stay consistent
)

I don't know why but it definitely makes me chuckle.
Scientifically it's a TOUCH off here and there because it assumes you can actually hunt every inch of the target areas you describe and that deer can or will even populate them.......which does exactly "I have know idea" to the results.
But I thought I'd throw it out there.In any event.....if you took MY PA season (Hell, LIFETIME
) numbers and entered them into the King's equation for the "Theory of Mature Buck Relativity" I'd probably swallow a gun barrel or take up lawn darts after seeing the resulting odds if I honestly expected to kill such a deer here.If I look back at the 08' season , even in Illinois, thosenumbers and that breakdownprobably isn't far off. LOL
(But I'm still voting Gay just to stay consistent
)
#13
Nontypical Buck
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From: Milwaukee WI
I wanted to pick option 5 since misery loves company and I'm a bit demented myself (ohsnaptosis, my bad you said tormented, nevermind me) butI went with option 4 honestly because I liked the presentation. I wouldn't call it a revelation but the logical deduction is noteworthy.
I don't think there's onlyone 5.5 in every square 110 tho. Thasalota land and there's probably a few more that are just that elusive to never be counted.
I don't think there's onlyone 5.5 in every square 110 tho. Thasalota land and there's probably a few more that are just that elusive to never be counted.
#14
I dunno... Even if my numbers are off... Even if you substitute them for something a little more palatable...
It's still a damn daunting task to walk into a 5.5 year old buck. Anywhere.
No matter whether it's 1-in-500 or 1-in-5000, the sheer dynamics of the herd pyramid clearly show that you've gotta go through a hell of a lot of deer to get to the patriarch.
Putting your hands around thatrack require a hunter to be eitherreally lucky or really good. Or both.
It's still a damn daunting task to walk into a 5.5 year old buck. Anywhere.
No matter whether it's 1-in-500 or 1-in-5000, the sheer dynamics of the herd pyramid clearly show that you've gotta go through a hell of a lot of deer to get to the patriarch.
Putting your hands around thatrack require a hunter to be eitherreally lucky or really good. Or both.
#15
i love it!! awesome work! and it all makes sense and the numbers seem good to me...
i have very few deer...and very few decent hunting spots so those figures make me the greatest hunter in the world....
i see roughly 20..yes TWENTY deer per bow season.
the past 3 years, 5-8 have been visibly antlered bucks each year..usually only 4-6 deer i believe to be does...usually a couple IDed as BBs...and a couple unidentified deer, which i almost always believe would be a buck if it showed its head...
all except 2 of the bucks that i can think of off the top of my head has been within 30yds.
im good for roughly 5-7 1.5yos 1-2 2.5yos and 0-1 3.5+yos
most of my deer are within range...which is good...i just suck with the numbers...the past 3 years have all been right around 20 deer per bow season....but, when i go spotting or beating brush or walking in snow, i feel good about my numbers...exspecially my buck numbers. work for this late winter/early spring is gaining access to better land and scout it out and ensure i can hunt there in the fall. thats my goal. even if its 1 GOOD property...id be happy. id like a couple GOOD properties secured being that i might beable to hunt EVERY day of the season and wanna go decently big or go home if thats the case...i just need the property with the deer to go big or go home....i wanna get beat by DEER..not get beat by lack of deer...not complaing...just reality...in the half a township i hunt, we know of maybe 4 bucks older than 2.5yo. between hunters, farmers, people driving, spotters etc, we have a REAL good idea of whats out there...we have a REAL lack of 2.5yo bucks this year...a real lack of LEGAL bucks...and number of 1.5yo bucks aint THAT great...theres a bunch of them runnin around and it seems more deer have bone than dont...but numbers are way down...
i have very few deer...and very few decent hunting spots so those figures make me the greatest hunter in the world....
i see roughly 20..yes TWENTY deer per bow season.
the past 3 years, 5-8 have been visibly antlered bucks each year..usually only 4-6 deer i believe to be does...usually a couple IDed as BBs...and a couple unidentified deer, which i almost always believe would be a buck if it showed its head...
all except 2 of the bucks that i can think of off the top of my head has been within 30yds.
im good for roughly 5-7 1.5yos 1-2 2.5yos and 0-1 3.5+yos
most of my deer are within range...which is good...i just suck with the numbers...the past 3 years have all been right around 20 deer per bow season....but, when i go spotting or beating brush or walking in snow, i feel good about my numbers...exspecially my buck numbers. work for this late winter/early spring is gaining access to better land and scout it out and ensure i can hunt there in the fall. thats my goal. even if its 1 GOOD property...id be happy. id like a couple GOOD properties secured being that i might beable to hunt EVERY day of the season and wanna go decently big or go home if thats the case...i just need the property with the deer to go big or go home....i wanna get beat by DEER..not get beat by lack of deer...not complaing...just reality...in the half a township i hunt, we know of maybe 4 bucks older than 2.5yo. between hunters, farmers, people driving, spotters etc, we have a REAL good idea of whats out there...we have a REAL lack of 2.5yo bucks this year...a real lack of LEGAL bucks...and number of 1.5yo bucks aint THAT great...theres a bunch of them runnin around and it seems more deer have bone than dont...but numbers are way down...
#16
The numbers do not match what I hunt. During a two day gun hunt on the public land thatI hunt, there were 250 hunters on 15'000 acres. 26buck's were killed, buck'smust have a 15" spread. Out of the 26 taken,therewere (6) 2 1/2, (11) 31/2, (6) 4 1/2, (3) 5 1/2+. Out of the 26 buck's, 20 would have made P&Y and 1 will make B&C( the booner was 3 1/2).It's all bigwoods andthis area also holds about 12 deerper squaremile, so there's not a deerbehind every tree and no large number of1 1/2 year old buck's.
#17
ORIGINAL: gri22ly
The numbers do not match what I hunt. During a two day gun hunt on the public land thatI hunt, there were 250 hunters on 15'000 acres. 26buck's were killed, buck'smust have a 15" spread. Out of the 26 taken,therewere (6) 2 1/2, (11) 31/2, (6) 4 1/2, (3) 5 1/2+. Out of the 26 buck's, 20 would have made P&Y and 1 will make B&C( the booner was 3 1/2).It's all bigwoods andthis area also holds about 12 deerper squaremile, so there's not a deerbehind every tree and no large number of1 1/2 year old buck's.
The numbers do not match what I hunt. During a two day gun hunt on the public land thatI hunt, there were 250 hunters on 15'000 acres. 26buck's were killed, buck'smust have a 15" spread. Out of the 26 taken,therewere (6) 2 1/2, (11) 31/2, (6) 4 1/2, (3) 5 1/2+. Out of the 26 buck's, 20 would have made P&Y and 1 will make B&C( the booner was 3 1/2).It's all bigwoods andthis area also holds about 12 deerper squaremile, so there's not a deerbehind every tree and no large number of1 1/2 year old buck's.
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#19
ORIGINAL: gri22ly
The numbers do not match what I hunt. During a two day gun hunt on the public land thatI hunt, there were 250 hunters on 15'000 acres. 26buck's were killed, buck'smust have a 15" spread. Out of the 26 taken,therewere (6) 2 1/2, (11) 31/2, (6) 4 1/2, (3) 5 1/2+. Out of the 26 buck's, 20 would have made P&Y and 1 will make B&C( the booner was 3 1/2).It's all bigwoods andthis area also holds about 12 deerper squaremile, so there's not a deerbehind every tree and no large number of1 1/2 year old buck's.
The numbers do not match what I hunt. During a two day gun hunt on the public land thatI hunt, there were 250 hunters on 15'000 acres. 26buck's were killed, buck'smust have a 15" spread. Out of the 26 taken,therewere (6) 2 1/2, (11) 31/2, (6) 4 1/2, (3) 5 1/2+. Out of the 26 buck's, 20 would have made P&Y and 1 will make B&C( the booner was 3 1/2).It's all bigwoods andthis area also holds about 12 deerper squaremile, so there's not a deerbehind every tree and no large number of1 1/2 year old buck's.
Love the post Quik...you need to get on with a magazine and do this kind of stuff for the back page articles.
#20
Dam i now feel that i have over came some overwelming Odds this season even though i have not loosed an arrow at a buck. close but no cigar
Yout maxed out bud!!!
Yout maxed out bud!!!



