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The Great Debate Over Baiting Revisited

Old 11-20-2008, 08:24 AM
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I posted this in the general deer hunting forum, but I want to know what my fellow bow hunters think.

I know that this topic has been talked about to death, but I have thought of a new spin to put on the arguement. Now first off, i will admitt that I am playing the devil's advocate here. It is not my intention to upset anyone, but rather to hear what people think about the idea.

To start let me tell you a little about my hunting practices. Up untill this year I did the vast majority of my deer hunting on public land. The hunter to land ratio is severely one sided where i hunt (northern Michigan...which has one of the highest number of hunters for any state). During my time of hunting (almost exclusively) on state land I used bait. I would put out corn, carrots, apples, sugar beats, or whatever I had handy that i felt would appeal to a deer's appitite. This year the Michigan DNR banned baiting in the lower penninsula due to a case of CWD found in the lower portion of the state. To say the least I wasa little upset. The area I hunt is roughly a square mile. Some may say that is alot of room, but I know of two dozen people that hunt that land from the beginning of bow season to the end. Then you have to consider the dozen or so more that "invade" come rifle season. It becomes very tight quarters. Most arguements that I hear revolve around the notion that I should set up on funnels between bedding areas and feeding areas or in the bedding areas etc. The problem with that is there are no true feeding areas where I hunt. There are no fields of mass areas of oak trees. It's almost impossible to hunt the bedding area considering over 3/4 of the land is a bedding area.I owuld be trying to shoot a fish in the ocean rather than the barrell. In addition, the bedding areas are so thick that no one could get a clean shot without cutting shooting lanes (which is illegal in michigan on state land). I hope you are starting to see my handicap. Baiting was a way for me to bring deer into my area in the hopes of getting a clean, ethical shot. In addition, I know that no one else hunts within 100 or so yards around my stand. By bringing the deer to me I am not bothering another person's hunt.

With that being said, this is where I decided to put a twist on the age old debate. Many people that I have come across are "anti-baiting". But when you think about it, most people "bait" when they hunt and don't realise it.

Let me start with the most common. Hunting over food plots or crops. I put food on the ground and the deer come to me. Hunting over a crop, the food is already on the ground and the deer come to it. Put a stand over a corn field or putting a stand over a corn pile had the same effect on deer. They are comming to eat and you are going to shoot them while they are eating. Now I have had that statement countered by being told that "You put the corn on the ground...it's not natural." Come on, the crop that you're hunting over isn't natural either...neither is the flood plot you planted. Unless you are hunting over a wild apple tree (and I am pretty sure a man named johnny planted it years ago) you are hunting over something that is not natural.

To go along with the above, hunt over the trails that are leading from bedding to feeding. Once again you are using a food item to shoot a deer. This time however you are not sitting infront of it...just a little ways off.

If you're still reading by this point I thank you for putting up with me. Here comes the interesting part. How many hunters use calls, or scents, decoys? I can't think of one hunter that doesn't use something along those lines. The point of all those devices is to appeal to one of a deer's senses or urges. All the items listed are used to entice a buck to come within range during the rut. Now think about this. I put corn on the ground to appeal to the need of a deer (hunger). I am using something to bring the deer to me...aka baiting. Using scents, calls, decoys, etc is appealing to a deer's need to breed or defend territoy. By using one of those items, i am using something to bring the deer to me...aka "baiting".

It doesn't matter what a hunter does, we are "baiting" a deer one way or another. The difference is how we go about it.

As I mentioned above this post was not intended to anger anyone or start world war three. I was sitting in the tree stand and this notion came to me. I decided to share my thoughts. For those that made it to the end I thank you and I hope I am not seen as someone who has been hunting in the sun too long. Now it's inevitable that someone has read this and can't wait to reply and tell me how much of a loony toons I am. I would like to conclude by saying that this hunting season I did not bait while hunting. I shot two deer this year despite the DNR's ban on baiting. One deer I shot in a food plot, and the other was in an acorn thicket. I did not bait them in...I merely "baited" them in. Thanks again for reading. Good luck for the remainder of the season. Oh, and if you are so inclined please comment. I would like to know what thoughts went through your mind while reading this. Again good luck and happy huntin.

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Old 11-20-2008, 09:13 AM
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Let me help you out

The problem with that is there are no true feeding areas where I hunt. There are no fields of mass areas of oak trees.= Bad deer habitat.

Here is a good video http://gf.nd.gov/multimedia/pubs/baiting-video.html
Your other argument is from Ted Nugent, and I ignore everything comes out of his mouth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxMk9gHsXjg


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Old 11-20-2008, 09:57 AM
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i my buck this year over some bait but he wasnt eating he was just passing thru
and so was my arrow
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:58 AM
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Why's it always new members that start debates?

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Old 11-20-2008, 10:04 AM
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If you are happy with the way you take game animals, in whichever form it may be, then why the need to justify it?
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:15 AM
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If you are happy with the way you take game animals, in whichever form it may be, then why the need to justify it?
Bruce coming from MI and hunting the NLP a lot the past 25 year, I think I know what the issues is with the baiting ban for some.
Pland and simple, and not to be mean, it's the only way they know/knew how to hunt.

I have baited with my family in NLP a long time. If you take the bait away NLP becomes extremly tough to hunt. There are no woodlots, funnels, etc. Just big woods and ridges, it's a different way to hunt.

Without the ability to drop some bait 150 yds of the road and draw deer to them, a lot of hunters in MI are screwed. It is what it is.

Baiting in MI is banned for the rest of my life
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:23 AM
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If you are happy with the way you take game animals, in whichever form it may be, then why the need to justify it?
Bruce coming from MI and hunting the NLP a lot the past 25 year, I think I know what the issues is with the baiting ban for some.
Pland and simple, and not to be mean, it's the only way they know/knew how to hunt.

I have baited with my family in NLP a long time. If you take the bait away NLP becomes extremly tough to hunt. There are no woodlots, funnels, etc. Just big woods and ridges, it's a different way to hunt.

Without the ability to drop some bait 150 yds of the road and draw deer to them, a lot of hunters in MI are screwed. It is what it is.

Baiting in MI is banned for the rest of my life
I am good with all of that. Hell, I am good with baiting if it is legal and what you want to do. What bugs me is the need to justify it by saying hunting an oak stand is the same as baiting. It is not even close but that always comes up in the "baiting arguments".

I am good with any type of legal hunting but what bugs me are the attempts to justify it to other people. Why? If you(anyone) like the way you hunt whether it is over bait, in a High Fence, with a traditional bow, a compound bow, so on and so on, then why the need to justify to a bunch of made up names on the internet? You don't need their approval so why all the arguments trying to justify the way(anyone) you hunt?
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:32 AM
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Why's it always new members that start debates?
Because most new members have questions that they want asked and aren't aware of how much the topic has been discussed. Why is it that some life members never make any contribution other than "good buck, great job, good luck" Just kiddin chief


To me it is each his own and if it's legal than there is no way for us to say it can't/shouldn't be done. To me, I find it unethical to truly bait (throwing out corn or something like that) as I think it is taking away from the hunt and creating false opportunities. Of course, the same could be said about using attract scents and things like that, however, it just seems to me that throwing out food is on a completely different level. After all, a doe could very well come through the area where you're sitting with a doe in estrous scent, but you're never going to find a big pile of corn just suddenly appearing out in the woods
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