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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
Honestly, you should believe what you're shooting is the best, or why would you be shooting it? |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: Ben / PA I don't care if its off my 5 fps...that's still a lie IMO. I want an honest 340 if a company says it. Matt / PA claims that Bowtech didn't fudge their test setups a bit when they came up with their 09 IBO speeds. He says that people may even be surprised that their bow is a touch faster than toted. That's a theory that I can get behind. Does your shop have a website? Do they sell any other brands? How are they paying the light bill at those margins?[8D] Their philosophy...you don't make the money on the bows (obviously make money, but no need to make excessive profit margins)....sell the bows cheaper than anyone else to get people in the shop....your bread and butter is made through the accessories sold to rig up the bows. Guys go there to get the new Mathews for 689....and leave with 1200 total setup after all the goodies/arrows and such that they buy.:D They have no problem selling bows either...annually make the top sellers list. That county has GOT to have the most Mathews shooters per any other brand ratio out of any in the state...im betting it is like 12 to 1. lol |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: Ben / PA fingerz, who's your fav sports team? Answer honestly now.:D Bowhunter818 I dont need your insight on what slows a bow down. I also dont need to read a magazine to find out. I know exactly what slows bows down and what doesnt. But the bottom line is that by only missing an inch on DL and 6 grains over 350 you should not lose 32 fps. And if YOU sir have read a magazine you would have known that. So again, something is wrong,(a) the chrono is wrong, (b) Mathews lied on the IBO speed or (c)their is much more on the bow that was shooting (string leeches, d-loops, peep, etc.) |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
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then i somehow managed to stumble across a local bowtech dealer and from what he told me and the background research I did I decided on a bowtech without ever even shooting a mathewes. Granted, this could have been a mistake on my part, however, I couldn't be happier with bowtech and I also enjoy the company of the less "abrassive" fans:D What did you expect a BowTech dealer to tell you, buy a Mathews? BowTech's are good bows, but why take someone's word for it - shoot them all, then decide on the one that best fits YOU. By the way, BT fans as you put it, are just as "abrassive" asany other--especially in this forum! |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
Thanks for the lesson about IBO :eek: A few FPS is common place... heck 10 is even accepted.... but 42..... something is amiss... either there were additional excentrics on the string or what... I don't know. You never said it had a loop or a WB. Might want to go back and edit that one. |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: Michbowhunter What did you expect a BowTech dealer to tell you, buy a Mathews? BowTech's are good bows, but why take someone's word for it - shoot them all, then decide on the one that best fits YOU. By the way, BT fans as you put it, are just as "abrassive" asany other--especially in this forum! |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
All i can say for sure is that that 08 bowtech general actually shot a foot per second faster than it was listed to shoot with an ibo arrow.
There is mattews pro shop in my town and i have yet to see a dxt to shoot the rated 321 and the tech said he hasn't either. That is not to say these new mattews won't but the past ones haven't. Personally i just like a bow that will do what the maker says |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
Mathews have always exagerated the speed of their bows. They are good bows nonetheless.
Bow companies test the speed of their bows at IBO which is70#, 30" draw, 350 grain arrow. As a thumb rule, you'll lose 8-10 fps for each inch you reduce the draw length. Also, big speed robbers are the following: Peep sights with rubber hose attachments you'll lose 10-15 fps with one of these. String loop, 3-5 fps, metalstring loop, 12-18 fps,Stand alone peeps like the metapeep 3-5 fps (you'll gain in veryrare occasion if you don't have speed nocks on close to the cam(s)).String silencers, 1-2 fps for each one added (the closer to the cams = less speed reduction but also less noise reduction). A simple brass nock in the center string location will cost youabout 1 fps each (brass nocks close to the cam can actually increase speed by a few fps). You will also gain about 2 fps on averagefor each pound of pullyou add. On average, you'll also lose about4-5 fps for every 10 grains ofstring or arrow weight you add over 350 grains. I'll use myPSE Dream Seasonas an example. PSE rates it at 340 fps at IBO. I have 31"draw andI have 73#'s of pull= 8fps extra for draw and 6 fps extra for pull bringingit to 352 fps IBO. I have a 391 grain arrow, two nocks, one meta peep whcih adds about 50 grains extraover the IBO weight which according to this formula, my bow should be getting about 332 fps. My bow is actually getting 327 fps so it's right there with this formula. This is a good way to figure out if you bow is performing as it should be. Other things to be aware ofare aftermarket cable slides, I've tried some that slow a bow as much as 20 fps. Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.It's good to chrono your bow before and after before you make any change to your bowto make sure that what you're doing is not adverselyaffecting it. Good additions that will quiet your bow withoutrobbing speed are. 1. Stabilizers. 2. Cable silencers 3. STS systemsand 4 limbs silencers. Another trick that will add speed (2fps or so in some cases)is to wrap your solid limbs in camo hunting fleece, it reduces vibration and adds a little speed. And yes, I am a completenut when it comes to maximizingbow efficiency. It's an off season hobby of mine. |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT Thanks for the lesson about IBO :eek: A few FPS is common place... heck 10 is even accepted.... but 42..... something is amiss... either there were additional excentrics on the string or what... I don't know. You never said it had a loop or a WB. Might want to go back and edit that one. I actually wrotewhat you have quoted hereafter reading your first post on page one, then I read your reply to that directly, so I totally missed that statement on page two... lesson learned: always read the whole thread first... not just the first page.... even if its just a two pager. My mistake. Personally I would have put that in the orginial post, because the type of rest and eccenstrics on the string have a big time direct effect on speed.... granted not all folks see that as pertinient (I understand you do), but there are so many variables, and to see that kinda of speed, and posted in the way you wrote on page one... well.. I took it like I did... everyone words things differently and its easy to misconstrue things sometimes. |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: Slingshot455 My Diamond Marquis(Bowtech) at 64# 305gr went 304 to 306fps with a peep and tube. Dont know alot about bows but this is what mine did. Derek |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: Dopler Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically. Someone asked me a while back what some of my secrets for getting a bow to shoot over IBO or over a bowtechs BC are... a good aftermarket string can net you as much as an extra 12-15 fps. And thats how I have Gary's Ally shooting over BC with an arrow that is 34 grains heavier and at 65#s to boot. |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie ORIGINAL: Dopler Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically. Someone asked me a while back what some of my secrets for getting a bow to shoot over IBO or over a bowtechs BC are... a good aftermarket string can net you as much as an extra 12-15 fps. And thats how I have Gary's Ally shooting over BC with an arrow that is 34 grains heavier and at 65#s to boot. What are stock strings made of for most companies now? That is sweet about gainin that much on the Bowtech. |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: TEmbry ORIGINAL: SwampCollie ORIGINAL: Dopler Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically. Someone asked me a while back what some of my secrets for getting a bow to shoot over IBO or over a bowtechs BC are... a good aftermarket string can net you as much as an extra 12-15 fps. And thats how I have Gary's Ally shooting over BC with an arrow that is 34 grains heavier and at 65#s to boot. What are stock strings made of for most companies now? That is sweet about gainin that much on the Bowtech. |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: wahoohunter ORIGINAL: Michbowhunter What did you expect a BowTech dealer to tell you, buy a Mathews? BowTech's are good bows, but why take someone's word for it - shoot them all, then decide on the one that best fits YOU. By the way, BT fans as you put it, are just as "abrassive" asany other--especially in this forum! I shoot Mathews, butI'm planning to shoot all Mathews, Hoyt, and Bowtech 2009 models, and the one that fits the best, is the one I'll be shooting next year. I think if you don't try'em all out, then you're sort of cheating yourself, and even youeluded to that fact when you said not shooting a Mathews prior to purchasing the BT may have been a mistake. Personally, I haven't shot a BT yet, but I did handle a Guardian that a guy was shooting at the range, and although, it felt a little heavy for my taste, it was definitely one of the quietest bows I've ever heard! |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
Nice post, Dopler, thanks for the info.
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RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
All I know is...my shop got one of the new 340IBO bows in....and he shot his hunting arrow through it, today. The one he chrono'd was a 29" (instead of a 30")....and the arrow weight was 6gr over IBO. 298fps. LOL I get that out of my DIAMOND MARQUIS @ 29" 61# with a 28.5" arrow... |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT All I know is...my shop got one of the new 340IBO bows in....and he shot his hunting arrow through it, today. The one he chrono'd was a 29" (instead of a 30")....and the arrow weight was 6gr over IBO. 298fps.:D |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
[quote]I contacted the local Mathews dealer, which is owned by my cousin's father-in-law, and they said the new Reezin 6.5 set to 71lbs chrono'd @ 315 with a 29" shaft weighing 350 grains. [/quote]
Mind you thats probably bare string. No cat whiskers/leeches no peep no strong loop no kisser no brass knock knocking point. These new mathews bows will probably shoot like an 82nd airborne except for their hyped numbers. |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
I shot one today with a fletcher peep in it, d-loop and a prong rest, basically a shop bow. It was a 29", 6.5 Reezin set at 60.5lbs.,it was a 50-60 lb bow. I shot my 400 grain Axis hunting arrow though the graph at 282-284 about 12 times in a row. I shot it 12 times to ensure I was getting into the wall consistently.
I then fired my hunting bow, an '07 Vectrix which I have never chrono'dsince I bought it in July 07 [8D]. It's set at 64lbs, 28" draw cams, d-loop, superpeep, truball speedballs on the string. It shot the same arrow at 270-272 10 shots in a row. Not a good enough reezin for me to buy the Reezin. Considering that I'll get a 28" bow, and lose 8-10 fps right there. And my Vectrix set at 64lbs, drew and fired a lot smoother than the Reezin did at 60......to me anyway. I don't really see me gaining any fps worth sacrificing the smooth draw and release I like to have for myself in a hunting bow. I liked the Reezin, but just not enough to dump the cash into it. I understand to get speed you gotta cam the bow, but I"m not a speed freak, so that's not a selling point to me. |
RE: Please explain the new Mathews bows?
Mathews have always exagerated the speed of their bows. They are good bows nonetheless. Bow companies test the speed of their bows at IBO which is70#, 30" draw, 350 grain arrow. As a thumb rule, you'll lose 8-10 fps for each inch you reduce the draw length. Also, big speed robbers are the following: Peep sights with rubber hose attachments you'll lose 10-15 fps with one of these. String loop, 3-5 fps, metalstring loop, 12-18 fps,Stand alone peeps like the metapeep 3-5 fps (you'll gain in veryrare occasion if you don't have speed nocks on close to the cam(s)).String silencers, 1-2 fps for each one added (the closer to the cams = less speed reduction but also less noise reduction). A simple brass nock in the center string location will cost youabout 1 fps each (brass nocks close to the cam can actually increase speed by a few fps). You will also gain about 2 fps on averagefor each pound of pullyou add. On average, you'll also lose about4-5 fps for every 10 grains ofstring or arrow weight you add over 350 grains. I'll use myPSE Dream Seasonas an example. PSE rates it at 340 fps at IBO. I have 31"draw andI have 73#'s of pull= 8fps extra for draw and 6 fps extra for pull bringingit to 352 fps IBO. I have a 391 grain arrow, two nocks, one meta peep whcih adds about 50 grains extraover the IBO weight which according to this formula, my bow should be getting about 332 fps. My bow is actually getting 327 fps so it's right there with this formula. This is a good way to figure out if you bow is performing as it should be. Other things to be aware ofare aftermarket cable slides, I've tried some that slow a bow as much as 20 fps. Also, after market strings can change a bow speed dramatically.It's good to chrono your bow before and after before you make any change to your bowto make sure that what you're doing is not adverselyaffecting it. Good additions that will quiet your bow withoutrobbing speed are. 1. Stabilizers. 2. Cable silencers 3. STS systemsand 4 limbs silencers. Another trick that will add speed (2fps or so in some cases)is to wrap your solid limbs in camo hunting fleece, it reduces vibration and adds a little speed. And yes, I am a completenut when it comes to maximizingbow efficiency. It's an off season hobby of mine. |
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