Deer looking up?
11-12-2008, 07:48 PM
#51
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RE: Deer looking up?
To say that a deer does not have the ability to learn is ubsurd. How would they gather their survival skills in the first place? Cant say that its instinct, or else they wouldnt need parental care at all.
Ive gotta think that they can put2 and 2 together, maybe not like humans can, but still they are not totally empty in there. You've got to give them a little credit.[8D]
Ive gotta think that they can put2 and 2 together, maybe not like humans can, but still they are not totally empty in there. You've got to give them a little credit.[8D]
11-12-2008, 08:01 PM
#52
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RE: Deer looking up?
ORIGINAL: NY/Al
To say that a deer does not have the ability to learn is ubsurd. How would they gather their survival skills in the first place? Cant say that its instinct, or else they wouldnt need parental care at all.
Ive gotta think that they can put2 and 2 together, maybe not like humans can, but still they are not totally empty in there. You've got to give them a little credit.[8D]
To say that a deer does not have the ability to learn is ubsurd. How would they gather their survival skills in the first place? Cant say that its instinct, or else they wouldnt need parental care at all.
Ive gotta think that they can put2 and 2 together, maybe not like humans can, but still they are not totally empty in there. You've got to give them a little credit.[8D]
When someone says the word learn, to me this implies cognitive thinking and reasoning skills to come to a conclusion.
Deer are trained or conditioned to behave the way they do, some things come natural by birth, like the flight instinct....but everything comes through repitition and conditioning.
Semantics I guess, but I just dont think deer have the ability to "learn" things...again, its just in the wording to me...they obviously become wiser and more able to survive with age, as experiences shaped them into the survivor they are.
I personally have never seen a deer walking down a trail looking up....I firmly believe they sense something is up before they do this....even if it be peripheral vision. Ever walk somewhere and catch something out of the corner of your eye? To me, I think this is what deer do when they peg someone for no apparent reason...just something stands out (big blob in a tree), so they naturally look up at it.
Who knows, i certainly havent been at it as long as some of these heavyweights....so I wont get in an arguement over a topic that comes with experience...From what I have seen over the last 8 years, deer dont just walk around looking up. Might differ in other regions, just doesnt happen around here...and trust me, KY is no different from anywhere else when it comes to be absolutely pounded by gun hunters.
11-12-2008, 08:19 PM
#55
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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RE: Deer looking up?
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
I agree, but I think its just in the wording.
When someone says the word learn, to me this implies cognitive thinking and reasoning skills to come to a conclusion.
Deer are trained or conditioned to behave the way they do, some things come natural by birth, like the flight instinct....but everything comes through repitition and conditioning.
Semantics I guess, but I just dont think deer have the ability to "learn" things...again, its just in the wording to me...they obviously become wiser and more able to survive with age, as experiences shaped them into the survivor they are.
I personally have never seen a deer walking down a trail looking up....I firmly believe they sense something is up before they do this....even if it be peripheral vision. Ever walk somewhere and catch something out of the corner of your eye? To me, I think this is what deer do when they peg someone for no apparent reason...just something stands out (big blob in a tree), so they naturally look up at it.
Who knows, i certainly havent been at it as long as some of these heavyweights....so I wont get in an arguement over a topic that comes with experience...From what I have seen over the last 8 years, deer dont just walk around looking up. Might differ in other regions, just doesnt happen around here...and trust me, KY is no different from anywhere else when it comes to be absolutely pounded by gun hunters.
ORIGINAL: NY/Al
To say that a deer does not have the ability to learn is ubsurd. How would they gather their survival skills in the first place? Cant say that its instinct, or else they wouldnt need parental care at all.
Ive gotta think that they can put2 and 2 together, maybe not like humans can, but still they are not totally empty in there. You've got to give them a little credit.[8D]
To say that a deer does not have the ability to learn is ubsurd. How would they gather their survival skills in the first place? Cant say that its instinct, or else they wouldnt need parental care at all.
Ive gotta think that they can put2 and 2 together, maybe not like humans can, but still they are not totally empty in there. You've got to give them a little credit.[8D]
When someone says the word learn, to me this implies cognitive thinking and reasoning skills to come to a conclusion.
Deer are trained or conditioned to behave the way they do, some things come natural by birth, like the flight instinct....but everything comes through repitition and conditioning.
Semantics I guess, but I just dont think deer have the ability to "learn" things...again, its just in the wording to me...they obviously become wiser and more able to survive with age, as experiences shaped them into the survivor they are.
I personally have never seen a deer walking down a trail looking up....I firmly believe they sense something is up before they do this....even if it be peripheral vision. Ever walk somewhere and catch something out of the corner of your eye? To me, I think this is what deer do when they peg someone for no apparent reason...just something stands out (big blob in a tree), so they naturally look up at it.
Who knows, i certainly havent been at it as long as some of these heavyweights....so I wont get in an arguement over a topic that comes with experience...From what I have seen over the last 8 years, deer dont just walk around looking up. Might differ in other regions, just doesnt happen around here...and trust me, KY is no different from anywhere else when it comes to be absolutely pounded by gun hunters.
11-12-2008, 08:20 PM
#56
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RE: Deer looking up?
ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle
Conditioned, becoming wiser, shaping....call it want you want Trev. That is learning
Conditioned, becoming wiser, shaping....call it want you want Trev. That is learning
They are an animal, smart in a survival sense? yes....can they think things through and discern the hows whys whos? no....
I did look up the definition of learning, and it evens mention gaining knowledge through experience or conditioning[&:], so my wording arguement isnt viable...just how I view the word.
11-12-2008, 08:21 PM
#57
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RE: Deer looking up?
ORIGINAL: TEmbry
I guess so, it just seems like alot of guys give these deer the ability to reason and think things through, cognitive thought so to speak.
They are an animal, smart in a survival sense? yes....can they think things through and discern the hows whys whos? no....
I did look up the definition of learning, and it evens mention gaining knowledge through experience or conditioning[&:], so my wording arguement isnt viable...just how I view the word.
ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle
Conditioned, becoming wiser, shaping....call it want you want Trev. That is learning
Conditioned, becoming wiser, shaping....call it want you want Trev. That is learning
They are an animal, smart in a survival sense? yes....can they think things through and discern the hows whys whos? no....
I did look up the definition of learning, and it evens mention gaining knowledge through experience or conditioning[&:], so my wording arguement isnt viable...just how I view the word.
We'll call it Associative learning (see Pavlov, Classical Conditioning)
