Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Self explanatory question.

Thanks, guys.

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Id go with the Easton Axis FMJ 400 if that is what you are lookin for Jeff, tough as nails and one of the all around best hunting arrows out there.

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Easton Full Metal Jacket or go with XX78 aluminum.

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Oneshot....

it needs to be a 5/16" arrow (to acept the inserts I wanna use) and have a spine that will handle a 550gr arrow....with a 200gr. head/insert.

Arrow will be shot about 250fps.....if that helps determine spine.

Sorry...I should have added that.

Still the one you mentioned?

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Have you guys seen the price tag on those FMJ's?

Do you get flowers after they nail ya with that price?

OK....edit...

I think Cabela's has them for $114.99/doz. Does this sound right for shafts, only? I'd fletch them, here....and I have vanes.

Does anyone know if they accept inserts?

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IDK the exact specs on it Jeff, considering that you want 200 grs, ( I assume an insert as you were talking about earlier) I really dont know. I have tried to find some exact specs but no success. If it can fit you specs that by all means that would be what I use. I have some right now and if it wasnt for me wanting some more speed that is what I would be using.;)

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Is there a difference between the axis fmj and a "regular fmj?

I don't want to order the wrong thing....if I get them. I'm also a bit worried about them accepting the inserts I want. The inserts say they fit "axis"....and don't mention fmj.

Who would know? I suppose I could call LAS.

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I used FMJ's last year, I'll be going backto them nextyear, awesome arrow.;)

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Whatcha building these heavy arrows for GMMAT ?

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

No difference between a regular FMJ and an Axis FMJ that i know of, all FMJ's are Axis. Lancaster should know

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

TFOX

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Easton XX78 2216 (12gr/inch)

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They use hidden insert technology. I have them on my target bow.

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thats exactly what I shoot - great arrows reasonably priced

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I know carbon is more durable....but heck I'm either losing my arrows when the deer run off with them, now.....or the deer are breaking them inside.

So heck....if you're gonna have a disposable arrow....might as well shoot a cheaper one, huh?

Any downside to aluminum I don't know of? I could probably find these and get them set up, tomorrow.....(check that....gotta order inserts).

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If you are going with FMJs, MeanV offers a great price...

Id also call Dave at Double Lung, I ordered mine through him, got the camo versions fordangthe same as what the standard ones cost everywhere else, Dave is a great guy to talk to as well.

Both would be substantially lower than a retail gig IMO, could be wrong.

FMJs work fine, id go with atleast .340 for your expected heavy BH though.

If I were you and was going with a complete new setup, Id call Dave at Double Lung tomorrow, tell him the arrows you want, the inserts you want, and the BHs, you want....he can fix ya up, he did for me anyway.


Oh, BTW Jeff, They DO make weighted brass HIT inserts for axis arrows as well, Muzzy makes a 100 grn brass HIT insert, they arent cheap though at $10 for 6 through Cabelas. So all is not lost for your weighted inserts if thats the way you go.



id either go this route or weight tubes on current setup, both would give desired effects...the new setup would offer alot more FOC though.

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Me thinks with the new setup, they wont be running off with your expensive arrows anymore.;)Granted you do your part on shot placement.

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Trev...

I was gonna ask if the 340 was the heavier spined version (over the 400 or the 500). Thanks.

I will call Dave if I go this route.

but since you said something about the weight tubes.....do they even make one for the a/c/c's? I admit to not knowing much about them.

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Switch to rages on your FMJs and youll never have a problem you get a lung shot and they are dwon for the count. As ive said on here before to many others..I have never lost a deer everyone ive shot ive found. And never had one kick an arrow..especially when i hit them with my rages or muzzy's.

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carbon express terminator hunter selects are 12 grains/inch, and very consistant with longer arrow lengths. I think I have one or two that I can send if you want to see if they spine out right.

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Yea, they even offer a .300 which may be best for that heavy a BH setup, not 100% though...Ill try and run the numbers for your bow and see which one goes best.

Not sure on weight tubes, they offer different diameters and different GPI tubes, not sure if they make one small enough for ACC though.

http://www.3riversarchery.com/Product.asp?c=58&s=187&p=0&i=6731%2D2X

They make a 1/4" version for axis type arrows which are small...quick measurement would tell you if they would fit your ACCs.

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Will (iamyourhuck) told me to try the PSE Black Mamba's. I'm OK with Carbon Force arrows.....as I used them my first season (x-weaves).

10.5gpi....and the only thing I need to know is if they'll accept the inserts I wanna use (the muzzy 100gr).I think they should have enough spine.

Reasonable price.....good product....and my local shop carries their products.

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FMJs are a solid way to go Jeff.

Don't order anything through Cabela's... not that there is anything wrong with them, but between Dave, Dan, bigbulls and myself (just that I know of) all owning or working in the archery industry we can get you the same stuff... faster... and if not cheaper than at the very least for the same price. Personally I know I can beat Cabela's on most stuff most of the time... for another HNI member, all the time.

FMJs are carbon cored, aluminum jacketed arrows. Hence the catchy name. They are about as tough an arrow so far as front end impact is concerned that you are likely to find. They definately are not aluminums, though you can still tear them up. I shot them all last season, and my girlfriend shoots the 500s off her Hoyt at 38#s and they fly very nicely. If you want an all carbon arrow... the standard Axis NANO 340s are right heavy as well... almost 9.4 or 9.5 if I recall. I shoot those myself and my finished arrow weight is 475gr with all the bells and whistles.

Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have any technically specific questions. I'd be glad to answer any curious questions you might have about it.... after all I do it for a living.

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I think I'm gonna go the PSE Black Mamba route (with thanks to all who've made suggestions) for the reasons I listed. I need to know (PSE's site doesn't say) if the shafts will accept the 5/16's inserts....and I need to know if the spine is enough to handle the 200gr. tip.

Once I get the affirmative on those....I've got a good line on them.;)

I ordered from Dave at DLA just this past week. I wouldn't order anything from Cabela's I could get from guys here.

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Sounds good, if I was shooting as many animals as you per year, id rethink the cost on arrows too. LOL Buying locally and having replacements close by is always a plus as well.

if you do decide to go Easton arrows, a .340 spine with a 100 grn insert and normal 100 grn BH spinesnear perfectionon OT2 for your setup. near 17% FOC, almost 79 ft/lbs, and 253-254 on speed range....plus, 100 grn BHs are unlimited as far as choices go....your finished arrow is tenths of a grain away from 550 as well.

Im sure the right spined arrow for any brand will work...OT2 doesnt list the Black Mambas[&:], but PSE arrows come in 100, 200, 300 spine...none of those show to be stout enough in the other radial x weave arrows for 200 grns of bh/insert. Not sure if Black Mambas are stouter though.

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Jeff I'm shooting the Black Mamba's and they are super tough. The Deer I shot this year fell on the arrow and it didn't break. I hit the off side shoulder square on the bone, it sounded like I hit a 2x4. The Arrow never fell out, and when I flipped the buck over he had fell square over on the arrow. I pulled it out wiped it off and it's as good as new.

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

how about the easton axis nano fused 340's real tree camo like 11 gpi!

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I appreciate the lesson(s) guys. Much appreciated.

I'll call LAS or PSE tomorrow and see what they say about the inserts. If not.....I'll look at the FMJ's.

Thanks, again....all;)

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Whats wrong with the A/C/Cs?

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

a/c/c's are great. If I could add the weight to the tip of them (if a weighted insert would fit them).....or....I could add a weight tube....I might still use them. I've loved shooting them the last two years.

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They are great but it makes ya cry seeing $25 (broadhead and arrow)run off in a deer huh?

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http://www.beman.com/products/product/44

I see you've already chosen an arrow. But I have to give my two cents.

I had nothing but problems with FMJs. I couldn't get them to fly out of my bow, and I couldn't hold a group worth a ****. The spine was on, and to this day can't understand why.

I switched up to the Beman MFX team realtree and haven't looked back. Beman makes a great arrow, that won't break the bank.

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maybe Dan sold em to ya for a reason...:D

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Jeff, Gold Tip Perm. Crest Pro Hunter 7595

They will be my choice next year. I want alittle more than I have in GT's CAA @ 9.6 gpi. Check em out. Great tolerances, nice arrows. I have used the pro hunters in the past, but the perminant crest has the extra gpi.

http://www.goldtip.com/products/product.asp?pid=514-8C21F131-343F-4639-9C7D-229DB3C54B5D&rnd=247953736

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

I even bought my own[>:]

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

NOPE... it's not. Did I miss something while I was away? What are you trying to accomplish? What are you planning to kill with a 200 grain broadhead and who makes it?

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Another vote for the FMJ's, love mine!

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Check out Carbon Tech Rhinos http://www.carbontecharrows.com/

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im VERY happy with my Carbon Express Terminator XP Selects 6075s 10.6gpi...they seem to be very durable arrows...alot more durable than my old easton epics and ive seen alot of other shafts be shot...they are pretty thick walled compared to others and seem very durable..

they are a standard sized shaft so adding anything to them is about endless...throwin them out there, because they are relatively cheap for their specs...their specs really cannot be beat for their price...they do seem to be slightly stiff...so if you consider them, have someone run the numbers...your going heavy upfront...your best idea would be have someone run any numbers before buying and cutting shafts and gluing in heavy inserts...


(and i dont think your stuck with your insert choice...talk to the trad guys...there are a bunch of makers of heavier inserts...)



i cannot wait to hear your results after this setup tweak...

RE: Who makes a good, heavy (10gpi+) hunting arrow?
 

Dave.....I can go a lot heavier and gain KE....without losing too much in speed (relative to what I'm gaining).

100gr. BH.....100gr. insert = 200gr. tip weight.