Rage, Muzzy, Spitfire
 

I am going to use one of these Saturday on a paid hunt with Rivers Bend Trophy Outfitters. I can't decide. Last year i used my firstRage and shot my buck at 43 yds quartering away, no pass through, Recovery 40 yards.

I am now very confident at 60 yeards but i'm worried about the Rage at that distance. What do you guys think? Muzzy? Spitfire or stay with Rage?

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Will your outfitter allow mechanical heads? Many do not.

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JMHO, keep your shots close and it won't matter. :)

A lot can go wrong with 60 yard shots at deer.

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IMO there is too much that can go wrong with mechs, like you said no pass thru at forty yards. I think a lot of people are finally admitting to having penetration issues with rage. There is another thread about this right now. I would go with muzzy.

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If you are not stuck on those heads, Try the Shuttle Tlock heads by tight point i have shot these heads since they came out and they are awsome you dont have to sight in for them they fly exactly like a field point but your still getting a fixed blade head with extremly tough blades. I just shot a 250 dressed whitetail and blew thru both shoulders and stuck it 6 inches in the ground at 35 yards. You cant beat that! JMO. Worth a try.

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Well,

I'm stuck with those three choices so i have to go with one of the three. I had decided to go with Rage because of last year's success but then i just read the penetration thread so now i'm hesitant.

This outfitter said mechanicals was ok. The muzzy's fly the worst of all three. As far as taking that long a shot, it will just depend upon the situation. If the buck is not going to come in, then i'll take that shot because i can make it.

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60 yards is too far of a shot at a deer with a bow IMO. You can shoot at 60 and be dead on andthe deer starts to move while the arrow is in flightand now you miss completely or more liklely,wound the animal. I know a lot of guys have shot deer at 60 and they get them but they also don't tell you all the times they've wonded at that range. It's a low percentage shot, I'd say 1 in3 for a really damn good shot. It's not fair to the animal. Aside from that, the Spitfires will sap more energy than the Rages, the Muzzy's are the best choice.

My personal maximum range is 40 yards and he better be standing still, broadsideand the shot be perfectly open in order for me to take it. Think back at all of the shot opportunities you've ever, most good opportunities are from 10 to 30 yards.

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I'm not boasting so please don't take it that way. Last year, 43 yards kneeling down on one knee on my lock-on platform because of a overhang branch out about two thirds of the way to the deer. Hit exactly where i was aiming. The year before that, 55 yards double lung. I'm two for two on my long shots.

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I don't doubt that you can hit a bullseye at 60 yards. The problem is a deer can and often has moved by at least a foot by time your arrow gets there.

Deer and foam are two entirely different things.

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I practice shooting long more than i do close. I practice 40 and 45 yard quartering away shots almost daily on my deer target. At different elevations

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Penetration problem with Rage? Really!

Now why is it I've taken 3 Kansas whitetails ranging from 15-30 yards and ranging from 250-330lbs live weight shooting 260fps (certainly not fast with today's standards)and NEVER had a problem with getting a complete passthrough. Why is it over and over on this forum and other forums of 100's of 1000's of people using them and getting complete passthroughs? Because Rage gets excellent penetration but maybe, just maybe, its the person behind the bow not making a good shot and blaming the BH.

Tuned bow and shot placement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"like you said no pass thru at forty yards" How do you blame the bh when you have no, ZERO, idea where the shot placement was?

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i would go with Muzzy MX-4s

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I shoot Spitfire XP's.....they dominate.

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I used these heads, they are very nice. Also like the rage 2 blade, but i would not shoot at anything over 30 yards as of this year. im not confident enough to shoot any farther and wound the animal.

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Of those 3 choices, I would use Spitfires.
I've seen plenty of threads about problems with Rage. Yes, I know some people love them.

I shot 3 deer with Muzzy 100 3 blade and another with Muzzy 125 4 blade and the blood trails were weak. Yes, I know thousands of people have had blood spewing out like a fire hose, but it won't change my previous experience (or opinion). My wife had had a good blood trail with the 90 gr. 4 blade, but I'm operating on the 3 strikes you're out rule.

I have Spitfires in my quiver along with Slick Trick mags, never killed a deer with either, but both fly great and I have seen few problems with Spitfire, plenty of success.

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I've probably been the greatest proponent of the rage heads on these boards since I started using them......11 recoveries ago. I can either accept the fact that they don't blow through deer with my setup (over 70FP's/KE) or I can wonder why I don't get complete pass-thrus. I'm having trouble NOT thinking about the instances in which I haven't gotten complete penetration.

I think the board consensus would agree that I'm extremely cognizant of my bow's performance issues and shortfalls. I spend more time than most deciphering its' idiosynchrasies. With that being said......the rage head is a PHENOMENAL head. I'm just having second thoughts on why I'm not getting complete pass-thrus on all shots. My setup warrants them.

Am I going to abandon them? Probably not. Do I wish the above wasn't the case? Surely, I do.

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I like my spitfires

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I would stick with the rages. They do amazing damage even without a pass through. It did unreal damage. If they guy that hunted the land next to where I hunt didn't steal it, I could tell you exactually how much, but blood was everywhere.

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Hey man you ever watch football you could be 2 for 2 on your long throws then boom 3rd one you throw an interception and you hurt your team and could lose you the game. In other words wound the deer

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Well what kind of bow do you shoot, what draw length, and what poundage. I shoot a guardian 70lbs with a 26 inch draw. I only shoot at 280fps at 45 yards I have take 2 deer with a rage 3 blade and never had a penetration problem. double lung blow through the deer. with a 350gn arrow probable lighter than what you are shooting.

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I wouldnt dare question the supremacy of the almighty rage broadhead. I didnt say EVERYONE is having penetration issues, but obvioulsy some people are and the person who started this post is one of them. If you can blow through every living animal in existance with a rage than go to town, I was just speaking about the person who started this thread not you.

All im saying is if I was spending my hard earned money on an expensive hunt I wouldnt want to worry about getting a pass-thru.