RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

No, you know that though and I highly doubt any other head would have as well. It was lodged in his brisket after going through and breaking the 2nd and 3rd rib in.

Let me add that prior to trying the Snypers I was very anti mechanical head. Some may remember my very adamant posts against them and I'm still not fan of some.

I tried Snypers on 5 Shots recommendation as he rated them every bit as high as Muzzy in every aspect through his testings on durability, penetration and more on cutting diameter. I'll take his recommendations over mosts.

Now, The Rage although bigger may eat up even more KE. I'll continue to use the Snypers until they change, cheapen them or stop making them. 9 dead animals, exits on 8, none went 100 yards. I'll take those odds all day long. My Muzzy odds weren't any better.

RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

Actually I didn't know that....and it's why I asked. Motown PM'd me the other day and he was discussing just what we're discussing, here (EXACTLY what WV was talking about).....and he mentioned he didn't think you got a pass-thru on your buck. He's shooting the rage head (has it on his arrows right now, anyways) and he's concerned, too. Its got me thinking.

My numbers aren't bad.....but that one last Friday haunts me thinking "what if". I think I've taken 11 with the rage.....and probably had exits on 9 of those (one was a spine shot....one was an unknown). I've had ONE pass-thru, though....and I'm not exactly flinging lobbing shots in there.

RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

I used Rocky Mountain Gator 2 blades for years which are very similar to Rage and never not had a complete pass thru. This years buck, my first with the Rage, didn't pass thru but stuck in the off shoulder due to the angle of the shot.
Rage claims better penetration, but from a physics standpointthe more tissue the blade is cutting thru on its pass creates more resistance/drag and will equal less penetration. With a fast enough bow and close range it shouldn't make as much difference though.

RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

I would agree that more cut on a gut shot is good and I would prefer the bigger head there. But, hitting bone which to me is more likely to happen, I would rather have a smaller fixed head. Neither is wrong,just personal preference. I guess I like to "hug" the shoulder and feel better with the small head. I have had such good success with fixed blades in flight and performance that I am convinced. The buck I shot last Tuesday was a bruiser and I hit bones pretty solid. With the fixed head though, oneblade curled over and the arrow just kept on going. Dont get me wrong, the blade did not "fail", in fact it was still intact and cutting but it allowed the arrow to continue on its intended path.As it isdesigned to do. I would seriously doubt I would have had the same result with a large mechanical. At least I didnt in the past with a very similar shot.Any head will kill if placed in the right spot and a lot of that comes from confidence. I just happen to have my confidence placed in fixed blades.

RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

Rob I agree with you on that. In that scenario(gut shot) the gashing rip to the gut will probably put them down quicker overall with the rage. Iwas referring to a bad shot like a heavy shoulder bone hit, etc. I personally feel like a good fixed head has better odds of busting through, and doing the job, than a rage does. Just my opinion, and that is where my confidence level lies.

This is one of those things that can be debated to death. Bottom line is we all just need to have a well tuned setup, andbe totally confident with what we use, and do our best to make a good shot.

I see it like the analogy of "if I have to think about whether he's a shooter or not - he's probably not".

If I am in my stand "wondering if my head will do the job" ... I probably should be using something else.

RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

fletch, WV Hunter, I tend to agree with both of what you said. On the 9 deer I've killed with the Snypers, one hit spine and did exactly what it was suppose to do, this last one took out the biggest of the ribs but all heads can do that. I've never hit solid, solid bone as in the front leg/shoulder and I'd really prefer to be behind that as that puts me too far forward, obviously margin of error but I'd rather be back than forward.

Good stuff guys.

Oh and Jeff, you should have known that, it was in my orginal post. ;) :D

RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

Took 3 with rages - only one was a pssthrough but all deer didn't go far

RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

The benefit of the Rage type head isthe blade is designed to deflect around bone better than a fixed head. But if you hit a shoulder head on, a trocar tip is the best bet. The Rocky Mountain Gators used to have that tip, but now they changed to the blade-type tip like a Rage. The bladed tipstend to stick into the bone rather than split through it.

RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

3for 3 pass thrus

A friend is 4 for 5

Maybe some of you need to use a heavier arrow to help push the Rage thru.

Are you hitting them in the lungs or farther back and hitting guts and lungs?

They won't make it thru the shoulder blade either!! But none will!!

RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
 

Rob....lose the paranoia.:D

I read your post ONE time.....the day you killed the deer. I didn't even notice I was so happy for you. I ONLY heard (was reminded) of the arrow not passing through whenChris told me in PM.I didn't recall if you did or didn't (at the time it didn't matter, huh:)). All we knew is you recovered him. Congrats, again!

I didn't know if you had an exit wound either.....hence my question on a totally different topic, today! I STILL love these large cutting mechanicals (the rage and I have to think the snyper is AS devastating). With the discussion going as it has....I'm beginning to lean towards maybe trying the snypers (they MUST eat up less KE going through).

I'm simply on a fact-finding mission and I'm not cutting (no pun intended) on anyone's BH choice. I'm trying to find out what would be optimal for my setup. The rage may not be it! it may be! But the fact that you're pushing SICK KE and not getting pass-thrus concerns me. Maybe it shouldn't.....but it does.

Your results are what they are....and they're commendable. Kudos.