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GR8atta2d 11-04-2008 05:37 PM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 
Umm.. cause until your buying them or sponosoring me I'll buy what I like best.

Why shoot a 300 FPS bow everyone knows 150fps has killed many deer! [>:]

vichris 11-04-2008 06:25 PM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 

ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher


ORIGINAL: vichris

You all ALWAYS have your binos set at the perfect interpupillary distance don't you????????

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How many of you all are going to tell me you never use your bino with ONE hand. How many of you are going to tell me you can't "see" your heart beat or your breathing cycle when looking through your binos. How many of you are going to tell me you are as steady as a rock with a pack on your back and a bow or gun in one hand as you top a ridge and see movement on the next ridge over? The question IS can you hold them steady enough to take advantage of that resolution?
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Interpupillary distance gets reset every time I pull them up because mine are the older ones that don't lock.

They always get used: a.) with two hands locked against the sling for a quick glance at short distance (or off the top limb using the bow as a monopod), b.) from a sitting position off both knees while glassing or getting a better look c.) prone, off a pack or rock if I really need to count growth rings on horns, points on antlers or check a distant bear for rubs.

Everything you say is accurate about the physics of binoculars but you assume too much in how they are used to paint your broad generalization that 8x is always better than 10x. It depends on their application and the user's knowledge of the inherent limitations so that they can be used to their highest efficiency.
Bob, Yes I am generalizing for MOST hunting conditions. I never said always.I think I did say at least twice that 10x may be the better choice forcertain conditions.But I maintain that 7,8,8.5 or 9 X are better choices for MOST (and I'm not talking about 51%, I really mean 90%+)hunting conditions. BTW I have an older pair of 9X40 porro prism leopold Goldrings. They were my favorites for years. I mostly carry 8x42 now.

vichris 11-04-2008 06:33 PM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 

ORIGINAL: jackflap

Good information and it makes sense to a layman such as myself.

I bought 10X42 Swarovski this past summer and have been quite happy. Maybe I would have been happier with the 8.5X42 but at around $1800, I guess I'll live with what I have.

If I am not mistaken, Swarovski sells more 10x instead of 8.5x. So at least I'm not the only sucker/idiot/embarrassment to humanity/etc/etc.:D
That Swarovski 8.5 x 42 EL IMHO is the BEST piece of glass on the market. I wish I could afford a pair.

vichris 11-04-2008 06:44 PM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 

ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d

Umm.. cause until your buying them or sponosoring me I'll buy what I like best.

Why shoot a 300 FPS bow everyone knows 150fps has killed many deer! [>:]
Umm.....No need to get huffy.....but you might be able to shoot that 300 fps bow a little more accurately if you shot it at 68 lbs rather than 70[8D]

Pat Curtis 11-04-2008 07:48 PM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 

ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher


ORIGINAL: vichris

You all ALWAYS have your binos set at the perfect interpupillary distance don't you????????

[blockquote]
How many of you all are going to tell me you never use your bino with ONE hand. How many of you are going to tell me you can't "see" your heart beat or your breathing cycle when looking through your binos. How many of you are going to tell me you are as steady as a rock with a pack on your back and a bow or gun in one hand as you top a ridge and see movement on the next ridge over? The question IS can you hold them steady enough to take advantage of that resolution?
[/blockquote]
Interpupillary distance gets reset every time I pull them up because mine are the older ones that don't lock.

They always get used: a.) with two hands locked against the sling for a quick glance at short distance (or off the top limb using the bow as a monopod), b.) from a sitting position off both knees while glassing or getting a better look c.) prone, off a pack or rock if I really need to count growth rings on horns, points on antlers or check a distant bear for rubs.

Everything you say is accurate about the physics of binoculars but you assume too much in how they are used to paint your broad generalization that 8x is always better than 10x. It depends on their application and the user's knowledge of the inherent limitations so that they can be used to their highest efficiency.


That.


Since I hold my 12x's steady with the armrests on my standand don't remember ever having a problem looking thru them (or my 8x's for that matter) you can chalk up another person who's relation to the expert's knowledge is somewhere between zero and none.


Interesting info if I were a crackhead or drank 50oz's of coffee in the morning. Then again I would probably know before-hand that a 12x ismore difficultto keep steady than a significantly lower power.

vichris 11-04-2008 10:14 PM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 

ORIGINAL: Pat Curtis


ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher


ORIGINAL: vichris

You all ALWAYS have your binos set at the perfect interpupillary distance don't you????????


[blockquote]
How many of you all are going to tell me you never use your bino with ONE hand. How many of you are going to tell me you can't "see" your heart beat or your breathing cycle when looking through your binos. How many of you are going to tell me you are as steady as a rock with a pack on your back and a bow or gun in one hand as you top a ridge and see movement on the next ridge over? The question IS can you hold them steady enough to take advantage of that resolution?
[/blockquote]

Interpupillary distance gets reset every time I pull them up because mine are the older ones that don't lock.

They always get used: a.) with two hands locked against the sling for a quick glance at short distance (or off the top limb using the bow as a monopod), b.) from a sitting position off both knees while glassing or getting a better look c.) prone, off a pack or rock if I really need to count growth rings on horns, points on antlers or check a distant bear for rubs.

Everything you say is accurate about the physics of binoculars but you assume too much in how they are used to paint your broad generalization that 8x is always better than 10x. It depends on their application and the user's knowledge of the inherent limitations so that they can be used to their highest efficiency.


That.


Since I hold my 12x's steady with the armrests on my standand don't remember ever having a problem looking thru them (or my 8x's for that matter) you can chalk up another person who's relation to the expert's knowledge is somewhere between zero and none.


Interesting info if I were a crackhead or drank 50oz's of coffee in the morning. Then again I would probably know before-hand that a 12x ismore difficultto keep steady than a significantly lower power.

Wow Pat..... bitter much????? Kinda sounds like maybe you are a crackhead. Or maybe you've had a bit to much of that Pabst Blue Ribbon.

I don't know if you've noticed but most hunters don't sit around with a seat strapped to their ass with arm rests on it.

For those .000001% who do.......go with the 12X :)

Pat Curtis 11-05-2008 10:03 AM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 
Two things:


You automatically think I'm bitter since I don't agree with your assessment, when that's not the case. I said I'm another one (in this thread) that your info does not pertain to. What goes without saying is that I don't know 1 person that doesn't understand the fact that a 12x is harder to stay "on target" than a lesser powered optic.


Most hunters I know do in fact have stands with arm rests on them...being that I weld them up for them for the price of materials.


ron3775 11-05-2008 10:30 AM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 
vichris,
Thanks for the info. I always used 10x and higher, never giving it a thought. I will be checking out the lower ones from now one.

PreacherTony 11-05-2008 11:12 AM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 
Chris ...very interesting!!!

With all that, what are the best Binos for the lowest price????? I am in the ministry, and I don't have a lot of moolah .....

crenshaw 11-05-2008 11:19 AM

RE: Stirring The Pot 8X vs 10X
 
I use a pair Leupold 8x for deer back east but when I hunt out west I can tell you they are crap compared to my 10x. I can be starring at a ridge with elk on it and glassing over it with my 8x and not see a thing, then I pull out the 10x from my bag and wouldnt you know there a bunch of cows and a bull over there.

Im using Leupold optics so i like to think there not junk, but the 10x for outwest and in the woods of the east i dont need anything more then a 8x.


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