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But this is funny as hell coming from a woman!!! Sorry Christine, it just cracked me up. As for the Heart Recipe idea, you got me thinking about keeping my next heart now, because that sounds very tasty!!!

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I can't even imagine not taking the tenderloins. After a successful day, they are pulled out and eaten for dinner that night. Tenderloins and Onions, mmmmmm... During gun season after opening day when we hopefully have 3 or 4 deer hanging, you better believe we're pulling those "Gut muscles" out and having a tastey dinner. They may not be the biggest piece on a deer, but I say that even a medium size deer you can get a meal out of them. Im not wasting any meat, especially the tenderloins, because I don't want to gut a deer, that just doesn't make sense to me.

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Yes I take meat....and NO...you do not have to gut it to take any meat. You actually don't have to gut it to take ALL the meat.;)

Out of 17 bow kills.....(and one done for someone else)....I've NOT gutted about six of those. Various reasons why I choose NOT to gut a deer, sometimes.

Lazy? Yeah....lol. I practice all year long......hunt numerous times a year......drag my deer out.....quarter it, dispose of the carcass....and I'm "lazy".

Boys...it's a piece of meat about 2X (becasue there's two of them) the size of a small banana. MANY people would say you're "wasteful" if you don't take neck meat, rib meat, heart, etc....

I don't always take them. Sue me. But "somthing" eats really well on them. NOTHING goes to waste on a deer. It's all consumed.

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I think most are just suprised you don't take them because of how good they are, not so much because of the amount of meat they are.

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We Love tender loins!!! We use every bit of the deer. We even take the ribs to be made into hamburger.

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No doubt, they're good. Conceded. It's not like I NEVER take them, though....and when you add in the multiplier (how many deer I take each year)....I get my fair share of them. I have them in the freezer, now....and we enjoy them very much. Without going into much detail....there ARE valid times when not taking them makes sense.

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First thing to get eatin is the tender loin and the heart. GOOD STUFF!!!!

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Why did you not gut the 6?

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Ahhh, the slippery slope.

I once (and only once because of this) hunted with a guy who only took the hindquarters and the backstraps off a Mule Deer. He said there wasn't enough in the shoulders and neck meat to fool with having to pack out. His justification was the same as you are making. Other critters gotta eat too.

But back on the slippery slope. How much is enough to not be considered "wasteful'? Is it all red muscle meat? Is it that and the heart and liver? Is it also the rib meat? Some cultures would even use the intestines.

The "culture" in which one is a part of society dictates the standards for that particular culture,IMO.

Here is how our "culture" has defined edible/nonedible as this the law as written in the Colorado Big Game Regulations page 8.


IT’S AGAINST THE LAWTO:
[align=left]12. Fail to prepare edible wildlife meat for human consumption. At a minimum,[/align][align=left]the four quarters, tenderloins and backstraps are edible meat. Internal[/align]organs are not.


Say and do what you want, but purposely leaving the tenderloins of a game animal is against the law in the states that I hunt (Texas, Colorado, New Mexico) and I would assume in most others as well.

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I am confused, I think many others posting on this thread are too or I wouldn't be so confused. I think half of you think backstraps are tenderloins, and tenderloins are backstraps. Someone stated they are not the same thing. I always thought they were the same. So does someone have diagram showing where each piece of meat is obtained. I think of the two pieces of meat that run right along the spine as back straps you don't need a knife to get them out although it makes it easier. Where are the tenderloins????

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Jack.....I've purposely NOT prepared a shoulder hit small deer for human consumtion. No regrets.

Sparrow:

I'll not field dress a gutshot deer.....or one in which one of the wounds is in the intestinal area. I've foregone field dressing when I've made a morning recovery in questionable temps.

Like I said.....I have no regrets or apologies Ifeel I need to make for my actions. I'll put these animals meat to use as I see fit. I also shot a VERY small doe last year that I didn't prepare the shoulders for our use.I cooked them on my pig cooker and my dog had a feast, though.

Anyone who KNOWS me knows I am very generous with th emeat I harvest. My grandfather also raised cattle, growing up (500 head at any given time)....and he ran the stock yard and abbatoir in my home town for 40 years. The process isn't obtrusive to me, at all. I make a decision on what to take....and live with it. I sleep just fine.

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The only time I might not take them is if the deer has been gut shot. Once that meat is tainted, it's no getting that taste out.

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I also like Jeff, don't gut many of my deer for such a small piece of meat. I take the shoulders, high quarters, back strap and that's it. I will agree that it is a good cut, but to me it's not worth the hassle of gutting. Now if I knew a method of getting them out with out having to remove the guts and such I might be inclined to do so.

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Your original post to this thread does notconvey anything about leaving thembeause the meat mightbe damaged or tainted, but rather effort vs reward. But keep on spinning.;)

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They never see the freezer with the deer I kill. Matter of fact they are lucky to not be in my stomach within an hour of taking them out :D

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I don't need to spin ****, jack.....or justify anything with you (or anyone else);).

No spin needed......as I'll take whatever I want.....wenever I want to take it. if you don't like it....you can pound sand.[&:]

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YEA! If I want to be wasteful with the best cut of meat in a deer, so be it...leave me alone. I kill alot of deer each year, so it is ok, settle down.:eek:

I kid, I kid....it makes me no difference what you consume Jeff. I'll gut every deer I kill, just as I'll get the 4 quarters and backstraps and tenderloins out of every deer I get. Whether I am generous and donate/share the meat or not, I will still put it to good use.To each his own.


Out of curiosity, how come you didnt bother with cleaning a small shoulder hit deer to eat? Does this mean you didnt bother getting any meat from it?

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I call the innerloins the two pieces inside the cavity...under the spine...towards the rear of the deer. Looks like tenderloins, but so soft you could squeeze with your fingers. Makes great venison good at breakfast.

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You are right in regards to me. I forgot whoI was conversingwith. I've never seen you to bewrong on any subject yet,so I am sure thisone is no different.

But as far as deciding as to whether or not you want to go the trouble of guttting a deer for two pieces of meat the size of a banana, each......... well you might want to check into the game laws a little more before publicly stating so.

With this post I'll leave this thread alone as this is ridiculous to keep arguing something so stupid as whether or not to take the tenderloins of a game animal. Kinda like arguing whether the sun rises in the east or not.

Now, I think I'll go have some tenderloins for lunch. Yummy.

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This thread cracks me up, in the interest of not being wasteful I am assuming that most people that are critical here are using all the deer. Necks, ribs, stew meat cut from thehard to reach spots, etc. Hell don"t forget the heart, liver, tongue, orskin.A filipino friend of mine makes deer rinds out of the skin andswears they are the greatest thing on earth, I wouldn't know because I just wastethat part. Whatever I don't want I give away, whatever I don't see fit to process I feed my buddies hunting dogsor other random critters. What about the ham/front legmeat from the bend/knuckle to the hoof? There's a couple of small banana sized strips of meat there and I'm sure all you guys are using those every time, right? I mean that would be part of the 4 quarters.;)

I see...... we only have to use the meat the game book says, then you are not being wasteful and lazy, even though you could technically use almost every other part of the animal you want, the "book" doesn't say you have to.


Why wouldn't you process a small deer shoulder?

7mm or heavy buckshot damage.

Ever seen a shoulder that a broadhead stuck into and then the deer ran 100 or more yards with with the broadhead in there working, it's real nice.

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I dont think anyone is implying we play Indian here and even keep the eyeballs, Im just shocked that the BEST piece of meat available in the deer is thrown with the scraps is all. Not looking down on anyone, just shocked.

I didn't ask why not process a small shot up shoulder (buckshot irrelevant here), i asked why not process a shoulder hit DEER?


Its like heating up a nice toasty poptart only to eat the edges...the best part is in the middle!

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Okay....I won't leave this thread alone just yet.

No, NEW, you can eat the intestines and the eyeballs if you want, more power to you.

But it seems to me that the MINIMUM amount of the animal that should be reasonably attempted to be retreived for HUMAN consumption is that amount that is REQUIRED by law, at least in the three states where I hunt.

Are you suggesting that we should PICK and CHOOSE which game laws we are going to abide and which ones we aren't? If so, please enlighten me as to what other MINIMUM STANDARD game laws we should ignore and replace/substitute our own standards for in their place.

No one nor the law is referrring to damaged or tainted meat that is deemed not suitable for human consumption. Again most laws (and I can find more if you want) use words as "a reasonable attempt...."

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sweet meat what i label mine as as well

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I take it back, I wont say it's LAZY per say, but as mentioned earlier, effort vs reward is too much to leave them, even if you have multiple deer a year. They just dont last long enough to not take.

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New,

What most people on here are saying Is don't waste what you shoot.

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Always.

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the only thing that i found, is i usually take the tenderloyns, however, if you make a mistake gutting the deer, they seem to absorb the gut taste quickly, ive cooked them before and myself and others spit them out because the tasted like guts, thats why, im super careful when i field dress a deer... but sometimes you just plain goof up.... but yes they are good when not tainted...

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Agreed, all I'm saying is plenty gets wasted by average hunters all the time whether it be ribs, necks, or scrap meat off of shoulders/hams. It seems to be the inner loins not getting used bothers more than if someone says they might not use every ounce of meat off a ham, neck, shoulder, etc.

Why is that?

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I love the inner loin. I butcher all of our own deer, so we take all the little goodness out. Their small, but oh so tasty.

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To answer you highlighted question(not that I even should considering what it implies, but I'll humor you), I don't live or hunt in the three states you mentioned and in searching the VA/NC game laws I haven't found anything similiar(yet) but if I do I will surely follow them and would advise others to do the same. That being said, laws are open for interpretation, say for example I shoot a deer in the morning and don't recover it until that afternoon and the temps while not warm are not freezing or cold. I may feel that the inner loins are not fit for my consumption as they have been lying inside the body cavity with the rest of the inner organs, you may feel that they are fine. That is fine, difference of opinion. What is the definition of "fit for human consumption"? What's fit for you I might not want. I processed a half dozen of my owndeer last year, 10 or 12 in 2006 and about 18 in 2005 and I am in noway saying that I left all of the inner loins behind but there were a lot of deer I did butcher without gutting(for whatever reason) and I don't consider it anymore wasteful than feeding the ribs/scraps to the dogs. I still process way more meat off of every deer than every other hunter I hunt with and if I don't have time I take them to Central Meats and have them do it(yes they waste a lot of scrap meat there, omg).

The point I was trying to make earlier is many don't use the ribs, neck, and scrap meat and that is just as wasteful if not more wasteful(quantity wise) than the inner loins. But people are saying "well it's not in the laws as a minimum" so what, that's ok? If yal say so, I just think it's a double standard. If Jeff didn't use some of his inner loins or fed his dog a shoulder I still know he proceesed and used a lot more venison than most and much of it went to very needy causes. And I'd be willing to bet that some that have posted on this very thread/site wasted more meat than a couple of inner loins in their hunting careers, hell probably last season for that matter. jmo

If I have to chucka inner loin this season I'll make sure to inform you so you can call the VDGIF and let them know of the "Game Law Violation"(in New Mexico anyway)and get me put on their top ten list.

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NEW, not to beat a dead horse (or dead deer in this case) here is my original repsonse to this thread
So we are not in disagreement with your key point.

However, as the saying goes "Two wrongs don't make a right" and for you to try and defend someone else's actions when they basically state that "sometimes they don'tutilize the "premium piece of the carcass", not because it might be ruined or tainted for some reason due to recovery or shot placement,but because it isn't worththe hassle forsomething equivalent to the size of two bananas, I find....well.......unbelievable.

Some things are indefensible, IMO and this is one of them.

I never did quite fully undertstand all of that "sac rider" stuff Justin and others referenced a while back, how about you?;)

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we get them off every deer.you don't have to gut a deer them....tony

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My take is if someone has Sooo dang much meat from SOOoo dang many deer that they shoot each year that they choose to skip taking the tenderloin's and the rest of the eadible meat, then these people should quit shooting so many deer and taking all the meat from a few deer, and let the rest live!! The scavengers of the earth really don't NEED your help, they'll survive just fine!!

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It's not that I am trying to defend anything(I don't really see anything that needs to be defended)or ride sac(nice try), I simply don't care if someone doesn't want the inner loin or not and can't understand or relate tosome these hyper-sensitive threads(not just this one).

I guess that sounds badand maybeit's just me. My buddy killed a small doe last week I field dressed it for him and yes I removed the chicken tender sizedinner loinsfor him,had it beenmy deer I probably would not have field dressed it. I would have taken the hams, shoulders, neck,and backstraps and been done with it. The rest is dog food. A big deer, I'll get those inners.

I'm an insensitive jerk in thatsometimes I don't necessarily view deer the way many on here do and I think it has a lot to withmy region and the amount of deer we kill every season and seeing too manypeople that actually do waste meat(unfortunately). I also believe there are many on this site thattruth be told don't get all the meat they could or should. Sowhen I hear someone didn't get the inner loins off their deer it doesn't really bother me especiallywhen the sameindividual did in factprocess and donate hundreds of pounds of venison to people who needed it.

I undertand your points and I don'tthink you're wrong per se, I guess I just havea different perspective.

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I am baffled that there are actually people who do not take the tenderloins, like many have said it is by far the best two pieces of meat on the animal. Also like many have already said, they usually don't last more then a day at my house, I ate some fresh tenderloins sunday night!

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I shoot deer. I skin deer to the best of my ability. I get as much meat off the deer as my butchering skills allow.

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TEmbry:

You have a vivid imagination, young man. Go back and show me where it says I didn't process the meat from this deer. Thanks.

I donated probably 6-7 deer, last season alone, to a family of FIFTEEN. I don't think they worried too much about whether or not the inner TL's were in there or not. I've given them 3 so far this season.....and yeah....only two of them had the inner TL's......and one of them didn't include the backstraps (they went to the person who killed the deer).

Bunch of critters in our woods....and a few my father in law is targeting. They eat just fine on what we don't take.

"Wasteful"? How is anything "wasted"? What's your take on killing a small deer-like animal and using it for bait....like the hunters in Africa do? Don't answer that. I don't care.;)

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GMMAT... you'd think that someone who kills as many deer as you do would have it all down to a right fine system by now. I don't gut my deer either... I hang them whole and gut them vertically over a bucket..... everything is right there.... hey look... heart... awesome... liver... I'm thinkin' finger foods. Neck meat... where is my crock pot? We've got a gambrel hooked up to an engine block hoist... flourescent lights... even a portable heater for the late season.

Your post about not using the shoulder meat on a "shoulder shot" deer is ludicrious. That is, unless you are shooting them through the shoulder with a high powered rifle, and even then there are plenty of trimmings that can be converted into hamburger or jerky or cut chunks for stews. I suppose we just come from two different backgrounds here, I've grown up hunting, my entire family is hunters, trappers, anglers, outdoorsmen, biologists (just one actually), conservationists... and I just wasn't raised that way. Sorry if my first post cut you a little deep... but maybe you needed it. Go ahead and "use the meat as you see fit," the game warden might well see it as wanton waste. You aren't hunting out west where you have to worry about packing out five extra pounds or being caught by a snowstorm and snow bound for a week in the back country. You are in sight of a house, road or your vehical in half the hunts in which you write of.... come on now!

If you are willing to go to all the trouble of all the scouting, all the homework... all the practice... all the theory... all the BS posts you make on here... you'd think you'd be willing to spend five damn minutes so that a little less of the animal that YOU killed was left for the buzzards?

To each his own... I don't lose sleep at night either. Have a safe hunting season, and please continue to be a positive contributor and ambassador of the sport we have all enjoyed for so long and hold so dear.

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Actually....I don't remember your first post. It cut THAT deep....lol:D

I can see a house in one spot I hunt.....after leaf drop. I never see a road....and I don't drive to 90% of my hunts. On those I couldn't see my vehicle.

So your attempt to trivialize my hunting is futile. You're full of ****.;)

Ahhh... the ethics police!Howdy Sargent! Like I said.....I've NOT gathered the inner TL's on a few deer....for various reasons. HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT IS NO CONCERN OF MINE. I don't care...lol:D

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WAR! Ungh! Good God y'all...What it is we fighting for....absolutely nothing!!!