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Regardless who shot the deer or who videoed it, the shot placement was horrible.
Here's how it should have looked and where the arrow placement should have been.
Nice deer anyways.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video (CLOSE UP VID PG 8)
 

Maybe, just maybe before people shoot off their opinion perhaps they should know the facts. ;)

RE: Rob's Buck on Video (CLOSE UP VID PG 8)
 

lol did you even bother to read any of the thread of jus start typin? [:-]

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yeah he's fine

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I think Rob ought to tag the deer and do an autopsy;)

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I gave up on the "below the spine" stuff a long tie ago. I actually don't CARE about that anymore....lol.

But your latest video only makes me think more that his guts were hit.

Let's look at the worst case scenario. Straight down shot on a deer. you go to one side of the spine.....but you're STILL gonna get some vitals or intestines.

Again....leave the spine part out of it.

I was thinking, sitting in a tree today.....I wonder what the consensus would have been if "I" posted that and said I'd hit him Saturday evening and he walked by me, yesterday....and I'd photo'd him....lol;) Ya think he'd live?

And again...for the record....I'm no deer....but I was at work the morning of the day they removed 3' of my colon....after mine was punctured 3 weeks prior. So hypothetically.....I could have gone a month or more after mine was punctured before I died.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video (CLOSE UP VID PG 8)
 

Nothing short of brilliance. I cant believe no one posted this before now. [:-]

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Why would that make any difference in the world, and why would you even think of that, lol.

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I am headed to PA right now to shoot the damn deer, be prepared to eat some crow:D

A book in a library will be read by Paris Hilton before any leakage happensin that bucks belly;)

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Oh I should have known better than to discuss this with all the veterinarians.....lol.

How do you KNOW?....lol Ya'll kill me!

This is from the shot placement thread we did a few months back. I'll concede if you place your arrow on the red dot that you'll miss the spine. Will he be "OK"?

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I've said this before when we talk about the void threads. My dad shot a buck several years back that had been shot previously, we figured at least a week. Holes weren't visable until we skinned it. The shot was from level, and was back at the back of the rib cage, can't recall if it was last ribs or not, I think it was within one rib, but behind the other side. Basically the shot went right thru the inner tenderloins once we inspected it. There was NO way that deer was dying from that wound and it was to the body cavity.

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Oh I agre, Rybo. I hit one there, last year. I found her dead in a fence over a week later....and she wasn't gonna die from that wound, either.

But it was a FAR cry higher on her than that one was on that bucks exit wound side.







The buck in question's wound is nearly a full foot down his body.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

How do I know? Simple, my family cannot shoot a lick. I have seen deer hit just about everywhere:D

All I know is this, when someone comes to me and states they missed one high, it's 70% chance we are not recovering the deer.

When they state shot them in the ass. we're 100% we find them.

When they state they heard a loud pop and the hit them near the shoulder, I make a cup of hot coco, and take a seat[:-]

Remember you are not as active as a deer, in the days sincehe has been shot he has ran, jump and got up and laid down. If he was leaking it would get worst, he'd be near water because his belly would feel like it's on fire.

He's just hungry[8D]

Rob tell the lady to get the guest bedroom ready:)

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As someone who's had an intestinal injury......I can tell you the "fire" thing don't cut it. Again....I'm no deer....but my injury was a perforated colon. It was a dull ache that lasted over 3 weeks. Kinda like constant constipation (I would assume....but have never had that). It felt like I had to "go"....but couldn't.

I hope the deer'sgonna be fine....and if the exit wound area was higher on him....I'm usually the first one to give the benefitof the doubt.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

I think cousins shot skimmed across the deers neck (upper shoulder) like he thought. I think the back is simply tufted hair and an optical illusion. On the close up if you stop it you see no actual hole. Cuz skimmed the neck IMHO

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OMG that would be funnier than hell if we're debating spilled milk cause you would be right Chris. LOL

I need cuz to see it and tell me. LOL

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dont worry Jeff....im STILL with you...i watched the videos over and over 1000x on full size and regular size....

i still do not see how it is at all possible gut was untouched...


say that SAME shot happend behind the shoulder, the far lung would been hit(assuming the arrow got through the back bone there) just no way it didnt hit gut....that exit is almost half way down his body!!! there aint a hole lot of meat OR fat on the side of a deer in the gut region...im not saying that deer is sick, or he is gunna kill over dead any time quick....but all im saying is gut was hit.


that thing on top of the neck definently looks like an arrow graze as well....





im sick of this ;) ....soooooooo......hmmm........HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN USING RAGE HEADS!!! :D

(sorry...i had to)


long and short of this is noone knows.....heck, maybe it wasnt shot at all...we dont know(though it does look to me he was shot TWICE) he seems to be doing well right now.....nothin more to be said.....

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its a gut shot, behind the lungs, over the liver even .... very likely a dead deer in a few days IMO

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Other than the fluffed up hair the deer act normal and is eating. IMO he got his butt kicked by another buck. But what the heck do I know?

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Maybe when he stopped the deer to shoot it, it tensed up (like its hackles or whatever), while it was breating in, and the skin raised up about one inch when he shot. Then when rob seen it, it was obviously "at easy" with his belly hangin low and the skin was stretched down?? This could easily allow that buck to be shot at a very steep angle and leave a minor (but long) flesh would, right???

Only Rob's cousin and God know what happen, so we should ask one of them...PT??

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Well opinions being what they are, from the time I saw the initial video I said "dead deer walking". Time will take it's toll and the buck will die from infection. Of course he's walking and eating and drinking what do you think he's gonna do, lay on the couch and watch football? As time takes it's toll and the infection turns septic he'll move less and you'll find his bones when shed hunting this spring.

I hope I'm wrong but the angles just don't support a missed cavity theory.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

BS.

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Could be Bob but I doubt that. I pray your wrong and I made the right decision by passing him. Had I thought that in the least I would have shot him.

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I too hope I'm wrong, this is one of those cases in which no joy would come from being "right".

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Absolutely no doubt that deer has nothing more than a mild flesh wound!!!! Without even looking at the wound, just watching him forage, it's evident that his "GUT" is not harmed. Now looking at the wound, and having butchered many deer, their is certainly going to be a bit of backstrap that's not gonna be "usable," but that is otherwise a relatively healthy deer, and as long as no infection sets into his wounds and he don't get whacked this year, he'll be alive and kicking to get wounded again next year.


Jeff,
As to your analagy of your intestinal puncture, it's not comparable, because a small fish bone is certainly NOT a RAGE 2" cut BH!!!! Though I see your point to some extent, if a Rage hit that animal and got into it's intestines, I believe it would be DEAD already!!!

Bob,
I disagree 100%, as I've stated above.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

I haven't read any of the posts on here but did not want to take away from a great hunt on the other thread.

My first impression on the hit in question was all meat. You can clearly see the entry and exit wounds when the buck first emerges, you can also see it again with about 32 seconds remaining. You can see without a doubt a tunneling of swollen meat, muscle or what have you from entry to exit. I would not think you could see anything like that with a cavity being breached. Maybe lumps at each point but not a clear path. 3 days and browsing like there is no tomorrow also goes against a gut shot, not that it's not possible but you wouldn't think the deer would be up and about traveling.

With the arrow being deflected before impact why couldn't it alter again on second impact? It's lost trajectory, speed and stability. Second impact, the nock raises above the tip, arrow flexes and the course is altered resulting in a skewed path. I've had arrows in a target at almost a 45* angle when a vane tore, what path would that have taken on a deer?

It happens and It will happen again, only this time it was taken on video and set up to be scrutinized, other times it's only told in words. Unfortunate?Yes, but it gives you a little more insight after seeing it than just hearing about it. If it survivesinfection and the naturalcauses of demise it may very well walk under the same stand next year to put everyone at ease, on video none the less.

Edited to add I know this buck was not shot by Rob.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

What if he "ducks" the shot. Where does that place the arrow.

Also after watching the close up video, it could be very well that the shot was made on the neck and those are just tuffs of hair. Although the video is good quality, its not the best, but from what I can see I dont see any wound there.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

Rob/PA Bowyer do you know what IMO means ? In My Opinion - based on what the pic was

I just watched the video and it does look a bit higher than I'd originally have guessed. I still think guts were hit, I cannot imagine the broadhead not entering the body cavity at that angle and the exit hole where it is

My buddy shot a buck in a similar fashion two years back. It was rifle killed a few weeks after he bow shot it - chasing does, acting normal, and the broadhead had clipped the liver and they said that area was terribly nasty infected, the liver way way on its way to failing.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

I was sold on It not hitting guts before this video and now after seeing this video I'm definitely sold It didn't hit guts. Typical flesh wound! That arrow Is lucky If Its 2" to 3" below the skin.

Motown might also be on to something as well!;)

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

You took the words right out of my mouth. I really think he shot over the spine and at impact the deer dropped and the arrow pulled the skin up on the other side as it was lose skin from the deer dropping. I'm telling you, from that deer being out andabout 3 days later and eating, there is no way he is gut shot. Not buying it. That deer lives.

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It wasn't a rage 2-blade....and ALL it takes is a fish bone.;)

Schultzy:

WHAT do you think is 2-3" below the skin where that exit wound is?

I actually hope I'm wrong about the deer dying......but I don't think I am. If his intestines got clipped.....I think he's a goner.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

I've got one question - the entry hole was below the spine obviously... are ya'll saying this was a magic arrow that entered below the spine, then sliced up, and above the spine, down the off side under the skin and to the exit hole ?


seriously ?


becuase it looks like to me the arrow entered below the spine, sliced through under the spine by a hair then exited about 1/2 way up the deer on the off side, behind the lungs, above the liver ... but definitely in body cavity.


just what I'm seeing ....... my money is on the deer dying in a few weeks, but they're amazing animals too, who knows what damage the head did or didn'tdo and it might heal.

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From the bleacher seats...I nominate this for one of the most interesting reads in the 10+ yrs I've been a member here.

That and $1 will get you coffee...but I thank you nonetheless.:D

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Germ's photo on page 2 shows it all. here it is again...



Let's assume the black line is the spine and the white the arrow.

The spine/back bone does not come all the way to the skin, you have meat and fat there.

Look how high up on the deer the entry wound is. There is no way it goes under the spine.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

No Guts

In the Guts

No Guts

In the Guts

This is like a Miller light commercial

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and you started this damn thing don't that make you proud![8D]

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Seriously?

The arrow passed OVER the spine.

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I hope you guys get this thing solved b-4 I get back. I'm off to chase deer, see ya in a month or 2.
As my daughter would say, peace, out homies.

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

Well there nothing anyone can do about at this time anyways[&:]

and deer seems to be doing fine for now?

So really only time will tell!!

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Forget if the buck is suffering or not...someone needs to take him regardless so we can see an autopsy, AND a video one at that (Rob).;)[8D]

It's a hard conclusion to make. Personally, I would have thought something must have gotten hit along the way but who can say for sure??