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GR8atta2d 10-14-2008 08:22 PM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 
Well opinions being what they are, from the time I saw the initial video I said "dead deer walking". Time will take it's toll and the buck will die from infection. Of course he's walking and eating and drinking what do you think he's gonna do, lay on the couch and watch football? As time takes it's toll and the infection turns septic he'll move less and you'll find his bones when shed hunting this spring.

I hope I'm wrong but the angles just don't support a missed cavity theory.

Rob/PA Bowyer 10-14-2008 08:25 PM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

ORIGINAL: stealthycat II

its a gut shot, behind the lungs, over the liver even .... very likely a dead deer in a few days IMO


BS.



Rob/PA Bowyer 10-14-2008 08:28 PM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d

Well opinions being what they are, from the time I saw the initial video I said "dead deer walking". Time will take it's toll and the buck will die from infection. Of course he's walking and eating and drinking what do you think he's gonna do, lay on the couch and watch football? As time takes it's toll and the infection turns septic he'll move less and you'll find his bones when shed hunting this spring.

I hope I'm wrong but the angles just don't support a missed cavity theory.
Could be Bob but I doubt that. I pray your wrong and I made the right decision by passing him. Had I thought that in the least I would have shot him.

GR8atta2d 10-14-2008 08:38 PM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer


ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d

Well opinions being what they are, from the time I saw the initial video I said "dead deer walking". Time will take it's toll and the buck will die from infection. Of course he's walking and eating and drinking what do you think he's gonna do, lay on the couch and watch football? As time takes it's toll and the infection turns septic he'll move less and you'll find his bones when shed hunting this spring.

I hope I'm wrong but the angles just don't support a missed cavity theory.
Could be Bob but I doubt that. I pray your wrong and I made the right decision by passing him. Had I thought that in the least I would have shot him.
I too hope I'm wrong, this is one of those cases in which no joy would come from being "right".

OHbowhntr 10-14-2008 08:54 PM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer

Okay nimrods (affectionally) here's the close ups for ya'll to debate futher.;)

CLOSE UP VIDEO SEGMENT.
Absolutely no doubt that deer has nothing more than a mild flesh wound!!!! Without even looking at the wound, just watching him forage, it's evident that his "GUT" is not harmed. Now looking at the wound, and having butchered many deer, their is certainly going to be a bit of backstrap that's not gonna be "usable," but that is otherwise a relatively healthy deer, and as long as no infection sets into his wounds and he don't get whacked this year, he'll be alive and kicking to get wounded again next year.


Jeff,
As to your analagy of your intestinal puncture, it's not comparable, because a small fish bone is certainly NOT a RAGE 2" cut BH!!!! Though I see your point to some extent, if a Rage hit that animal and got into it's intestines, I believe it would be DEAD already!!!

Bob,
I disagree 100%, as I've stated above.

cls74 10-14-2008 09:26 PM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 
I haven't read any of the posts on here but did not want to take away from a great hunt on the other thread.

My first impression on the hit in question was all meat. You can clearly see the entry and exit wounds when the buck first emerges, you can also see it again with about 32 seconds remaining. You can see without a doubt a tunneling of swollen meat, muscle or what have you from entry to exit. I would not think you could see anything like that with a cavity being breached. Maybe lumps at each point but not a clear path. 3 days and browsing like there is no tomorrow also goes against a gut shot, not that it's not possible but you wouldn't think the deer would be up and about traveling.

With the arrow being deflected before impact why couldn't it alter again on second impact? It's lost trajectory, speed and stability. Second impact, the nock raises above the tip, arrow flexes and the course is altered resulting in a skewed path. I've had arrows in a target at almost a 45* angle when a vane tore, what path would that have taken on a deer?

It happens and It will happen again, only this time it was taken on video and set up to be scrutinized, other times it's only told in words. Unfortunate?Yes, but it gives you a little more insight after seeing it than just hearing about it. If it survivesinfection and the naturalcauses of demise it may very well walk under the same stand next year to put everyone at ease, on video none the less.

Edited to add I know this buck was not shot by Rob.

scso954 10-14-2008 09:38 PM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Oh I should have known better than to discuss this with all the veterinarians.....lol.

How do you KNOW?....lol Ya'll kill me!

This is from the shot placement thread we did a few months back. I'll concede if you place your arrow on the red dot that you'll miss the spine. Will he be "OK"?







What if he "ducks" the shot. Where does that place the arrow.

Also after watching the close up video, it could be very well that the shot was made on the neck and those are just tuffs of hair. Although the video is good quality, its not the best, but from what I can see I dont see any wound there.

stealthycat II 10-14-2008 09:50 PM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 
Rob/PA Bowyer do you know what IMO means ? In My Opinion - based on what the pic was

I just watched the video and it does look a bit higher than I'd originally have guessed. I still think guts were hit, I cannot imagine the broadhead not entering the body cavity at that angle and the exit hole where it is

My buddy shot a buck in a similar fashion two years back. It was rifle killed a few weeks after he bow shot it - chasing does, acting normal, and the broadhead had clipped the liver and they said that area was terribly nasty infected, the liver way way on its way to failing.

Schultzy 10-14-2008 10:34 PM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer

Okay nimrods (affectionally) here's the close ups for ya'll to debate futher.;)

CLOSE UP VIDEO SEGMENT.
I was sold on It not hitting guts before this video and now after seeing this video I'm definitely sold It didn't hit guts. Typical flesh wound! That arrow Is lucky If Its 2" to 3" below the skin.

Motown might also be on to something as well!;)

2 Lunger 10-15-2008 12:10 AM

RE: Rob's Buck on Video
 

ORIGINAL: Critr-Gitr

My two cents is the shot is over the spine. My main reasoning is the elasticity of skin. If those broadheads weren't razor sharp then it could very well have "lifted" the skin before it cut the exit hole, giving a false impression of how low the exit is. Add a weird arrow angle or deflection off a branch (or even the top of the spine itself) and the possibilities are endless. But one thing for sure, he ain't sick yet... That leaves me with flesh wound untill proven different. Just my thoughts, your mileage may vary.
You took the words right out of my mouth. I really think he shot over the spine and at impact the deer dropped and the arrow pulled the skin up on the other side as it was lose skin from the deer dropping. I'm telling you, from that deer being out andabout 3 days later and eating, there is no way he is gut shot. Not buying it. That deer lives.


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