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Matt / PA 10-01-2008 09:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer


ORIGINAL: Matt / PA

The only thing I think they have a bit wrong is the height of the esopahgus, windpipe and the major vessels alongside (corotid artery and jugular vein) I think these ride lower as they enter the body.

I've taken out windpipes from a deer's neck and they dont' sit that deep..........and I've seen some of Frank's patented low neck shots that hit that artery and they aren't where they show in the graphic. LOL :D
I agree Matt, hell you can grab the windpipe/esophagus under their chin and down. Other than that it does look pretty good. Did you check out the website?

Here's another one I found and added.



And this one, shows the more realistic esophagus.


Yep those look really good.........Very good find!!:)

Schultzy 10-01-2008 09:58 PM

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There is one small obstacle that is bone that would need 'Smashed" and its the shoulder blade ..........if you're hitting that you're taking a shot you probably shouldn't be and the percentage of body mass that that single bone covers and the amount of vitals it covers is so small compared to the rest of the animal
Right on Matt! But there has been many times other hunters have hit that blade when not meaning to, they missed there spot. It happens. In this picture with this deer at 10 yards a person could still hit the blade and still catch the top of the near lung.

In saying what I said I do get your point.;)



Rob/PA Bowyer 10-01-2008 10:02 PM

RE: The Kill - Revisited .......
 
I think we totally hijacked this thread.:D

That's why quartered slightly away is the desirable shot.



Matt / PA 10-01-2008 10:04 PM

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What the hell WAS this thread about anyway! LOL :D

RackLuster 10-01-2008 10:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: GMMAT

The moment I start basing my BH choice on my poor shots......and start touting my BH for it's poor shot capabilites......is a sad day. Ditto the day I start blaming my BH for MY ineptness.
why do they have forgiving drivers in golf? you don't always hit the ball squarely. but it sure is nice to have a driver that is forgiving and makes up for the poor shot. same thing with broadheads. call it a sad day, but sometime you have to plan for the worst. those big bad shoulder/arm bones are sitting awfully close to where we aim.

call it what you want but do you mind keeping the personal attacks to a minimum? please. you've managed to refer to me as inept and tell me i have to practice more all in the same day. Just for expressing my opinion and personal preference on a broadhead. lighten up! everyone has made marginal shots. i owned up about that. i disagreed with you on several things, yet made no personal attacks.

by the way, i practice as much as i physically can, trust me.

GMMAT 10-01-2008 10:08 PM

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call it what you want but do you mind keeping the personal attacks to a minimum? please. you've managed to refer to me as inept and tell me i have to practice more all in the same day. Just for expressing my opinion and personal preference on a broadhead. lighten up! everyone has made marginal shots. i owned up about that. i disagreed with you on several things, yet made no personal attacks.
"Personal attacks"???? Where? "Inept"? When/where? I was referring to MY ineptness (when I make a poor shot).

You read what I post and make up anything you want. I can't stop you from doing that.;)

RackLuster 10-01-2008 10:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: GMMAT


I don't admit it. [:-] I've used rage broadheads the last two years and i am not impressed.

yes, they make a huge entrance hole but it does you no good when the deer is hit high and there's no exit hole. I much prefer a broadhead that will blast through the bone (and come out the other side).

It happened to me last night. i hit a doe high in the shoulder with muzzy 2 blade. not a good shot, but my penetration was absolutely, flat out terrible. I've had muzzy's blow through shoulders at 170 fps, now i shoot 270 fps and I can't? When that deer was running away I thought the arrow was going to fall out, that's how little of it penetrated. i'm going back to muzzy.

I had a hard time recovering 2 of the 3 deer i've shot with rage.
I think I'd just spend more spare time practicing my shooting.;) Blaming the BH (BH choice is unimportant for this exercise) is a cop out.
since you quoted me, i kind of thought you were talking about me. maybe i'm crazy.

...you're going to get the last word in aren't you? ;)




mauser06 10-01-2008 11:20 PM

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boy this post got sour quick...seems to have taken a spin back for the better....

for a couple pages, i thought we would have to cancel the bow contest and make it a PICTURE contest...if your buck isnt alive and well with a clear paintball hit within the 8 ring or better, its invalid ;) :D


Jeff, since you were on the topic, did you happen to read over the Ashby studies?? just curious...i dont care one way or another....

i might actually save some bones next time i come across some and shoot them...

not to add fire to things...but a mechanicals blades will shear off long before a well built fixed blade heads will...and if your shooting the right head, i think you stand a much better chance of getting through SOME heavier bones...with the RIGHT bow and arrow setup. noone WANTS to hit heavy bone...but it CAN happen...to me, it only makes sense to shoot a bow and arrow and broadhead setup that DOES stand a better chance to get through...not arguing with you or your broadheads...just my feelings on the subject...dead is dead when hit through the vitals....2+" hole...10" hole...4 blade hole, 2 blade hole, 3 blade hole...1" hole...a hole cut through the vitals is going to put game down in a short distance...


now i gotta remember to keep my eye out for large bones laying around....got 3 blade muzzys, think i got some RM jacknife mechanicals, and Snypers...plus some other 100gr fixed heads...heck, if i look hard enough i can find some skulls, shoulders, legs, hips etc....im REALLY interested in doing it actually....might put it off till next year when i am resetup though...doubt i do it now...i might start bone collecting now though! lol....


edit...i honestly skipped the last 2 or 3 pages...didnt see you guys had a pretty good conversation about the subject going!!!

PreacherTony 10-02-2008 04:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: LouisianaTomkat

I believe a living being's bone is softer than steel. Wouldn't you agree?

LT
Not mine :D









ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer

I think we totally hijacked this thread.:D

That's why quartered slightly away is the desirable shot.
LOL ....actually, I am glad you guys went this direction ....... very interesting and informative





NY/Al 10-02-2008 06:34 AM

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HAHA Tony when i clicked on the "attachment" link it said SUPERTONY! I like the name choice:D


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