I can' t see my sight pins!
 

I installed a Spot Hogg Real Deal with .019 pins on my bow this past weekend. I' m also using a no-peep and when I try to sight, the pins disappear behind the string. I played with the set up and started shooting pretty good by sighting the pins just left of the string enough that I could see. But I don' t feel comfortable doing this. I like it dead center.
I know I can
A=go to .029 pins.
B=maybe go with a crosshair sight such as the Sightmaster 200.
C=install a peep which I do not want to do.
Anyone else encounter this problem before?

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you might try a hind sight , might work for ya

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VA,

Simply adjust your No-peep towards the bow until the ring is seen where you like it. Remember, correct form is also about consistency. Consistently put the kisser in the same spot every time you draw and your No-peep ring should be dead center everytime unless you have torque in your grip.

Good luck and good hunting!!
jt

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Thanks for the suggestions, but its not the no-peep and I don' t use a kisser. It' s just when I line my pins up behind the string (like I always did with a peep), they disappear behind the string.

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Sounds like you need to tinker with the pins and the rest--move the pins a very small amount to the left then move the rest a VERY small amount to the left.JMO.

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You have to move your head slightly to one side of the string so the pins are not in line with it.

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I think I know what your saying.

I too am fixing to put a no-peep on my bow in about 5 minutes from now, if I can get away from this time magnet I' m typing on.

Once I removemy peep the pins are going to line up behind the string, if I hold everything like I do now, and adjusting the sight out to compensate for the no-peep mounting under the sight mount.

With a no-peep, do you look/sight down the side of your string now? Like this kind of...( :| )

I' m scared to take my trusty peep off!

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That' s what I was doing this past weekend but it just didn' t feel right.
Maybe its just something I' m going to have get used to doing now with the no-peep.

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Ok put the no-peep on but have yet to take my peep off. Just pulling back and looking through my sight window, that thing is all in the way. Tried it top. Tried it bottom. Now I have it farther then the farthest screw down on the mount. Just one screw. It is down now out of the sight window, but there is no way I' m going to get use to this. Also the spring that is suppose to hold tension against the side as I' m adjusting, seems weak.

I wore myself out dialing it in. It was like shooting 50 arrows non stop.


Anyone want to buy a new no-peep?

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I' ve had 3 friends that tried the NO-PEEP. They have all thrown the No-Peep in the trash pile on their archery benches. They all had problems with it moving.

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Hyawatha, thats it. I like the no-peep but do not like the :|. I think I' ll try a Sightmaster Elite 2000 sights. Anyone ever try one of these?

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OK, I played with it more and got a brain storm.

I flipped the mount around so it is now going the same direction of my sight. Mounted in the top mount as high as it will go and pushed as much as possible towards my sight.

Now it is up and out of the way. I can see it.

The thing is, I' m leaving my peep on! I have it set so I can see it through my peep. It tells me if I' m off just a little!

Pin point accurate. The peep I have is the big hole with 3 string guides. This is what I learned with and what I am use to. Still feels like it always has, and my peep splits the string!

OK, I' m leaving them both on!!!

Even with my peep, it tells me when I' m off, and I like it now!

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vaboy,

The no-peep should have nothing to do with your problem. It should have nothing to do with the position of your face/anchor and the pins. When you have a good anchor where you can see the pins clearly then you just need to position the no-peep so that it is pointed properly toward your eye when you are in that anchor position. It can be placed in quite a few positions just so it is pointed toward your eye so that the dot and ring center correctly when you are in your anchor position.

davidmil, I can' t imagine how anyone could have trouble with a no-peep moving. I have had one on two different bows for about five years and have hiked in many miles for Dall' s sheep and caribou in AK and a good part of most of the initial walks are through HEAVY brush. My son, who stalks for mule deer, elk and turkey in his home state of NM has hunted here with me. I have hunted there crawling around cactus and brush with him. In addition I have climbed up mountains for sitka deer in Prince William Sound through extremely heavy brush. He has his no-peep on a Martin and I have had mine on two different Hoyts and neither of us have ever had any movement of a no-peep. Sometimes we have had to bushwack through salmon berry thickets (like raspberries but much larger bushes) and alders and willow brush. Many times I have had to pull scraps of brush off my sights, cams, and yes, my no-peep. No movement ever and all we do is tighten down the bolts, no loc-tight or anything.

Neither my son, nor his hunting partner, nor I wound want to be without our no-peeps. The latest models are even much easier to adjust vertically. They really help in the low light of hunting conditions when you can' t see through a peep.

Good luck!:D

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Ok guys, left the peep on and I must say. I' m impressed!

The makers of the no-peep need to supply a bag of nocks with each purchase.

If I shoot more then twice at the same bull, a nock is coming off or a fleching gets messed up.

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Glad to see you are figuring it out Hyawatha. I line my pins up just to the outside of the string which is a fuzzy line in my vision at full draw. Give it some time and make it work for you. Don' t get caught trying to adjust yourself to it though. Draw and anchor with your eyes closed and then open them- it should be dead on. If you put your bow away for a year and get it out and draw it, you' ll be able to anchor exactly the same or it will show you that you aren' t.

Cubdriver has this one figured out. I must also respectfully agree with davidmill. These guys haven' t taken the time to adjust the device to thier form. They don' t move when tight, or your sight would be moving also and no, the adjustments are solid too so I' m not buying them moving. You obviously didn' t give it a chance and those buddies most likely are the ones " moving" , not the nopeep.

IMO, it is a very usefull peice of equipment and far superior than a conventional peep for hunting. I have to think some people are too lazy to use a tool that is so much more precise and repeatable than they are willing to be, no offence to any fellow members or their buddies of course:D. Seriously Dave, I have one that isn' t in use at the moment that I could loan you if you want to give it an honest try and find out for yourself. You' ll be laughing at those guys who can' t maintain a consistent anchor from day to day. I promise!

Once you get used to it you won' t even give it a second thought. I don' t have to take my eye' s off of the pins with it set like this.

-Chief

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My No Peep cost me $12.00 last week for new vanes on six arrows and another dozen nocks.

If your No Peep is moving I would believe that it is pointing out an error in form. When I installed mine, I waxed the threads on all the screws used in the installation and it is solid.

My No Peep points out the slightest error and even points out when I don' t bend my bow arm elbow properly which is a painful and bad habit.

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OK. Finally got the no-peep figured out. Once you get it set up correctly, it will bring you to a consistent anchor every time. I haven' t had any trouble with mine coming loose either. I did change my pins from .019 to .029 because my eyes aren' t what they used to be. No more string peeps or kissers for me.

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Hey VAboy, I was just wondering why you don' t want to use a peep sight? I use one and haven' t had any trouble with em. Cheers.;)

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Steve, I' ve been using a peep for 15+ years. Then I ran across this No Peep from Timberline Archery Products (there are also other brands out there). It does take a little getting used to but once you have it exactly where it needs to be it works perfectly. Brings you to the same anchor every time. Gives you a better field of vision, no need for a peep or kisser, maybe pick up a few fps, and in my case, improved accuracy. And I' ve only been shooting the thing 6 days. Don' t mean to sound like an advertisement but I am loving mine.

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I had a similar problem, but I had trouble seeing through the " Dusk Vision Peep Sight" , into the fiberoptic pins. I had my shot at a buck, and got it, but i had a heck of a time seeing it through the peep. During practice I never had this problem, it seemed alright, but after that I took it off in the middle of October and started from scratch. This is my first year bow hunting, cause i' m 17 now, but nobody ever tought me correct form, and I have finally figured it out the answer.

THERE IS NO CORRECT FORM!!! As long as two major things stay the same.

1. Anchor point
2. Grip

If you can keep these two things consistent, you' ll be shooting better than you ever have. With the peep sight I could group what I thought was really well. But without it it takes a lot more practice and concentration in the beginning, but now it is completly natural, and I can pull my 65 lb. bow back and shoot in 3 seconds and have great grouping. Its all in how much you practice. All summer I was shooting 30-60 arrows a night after work, but now it is so natural I don' t have to think, I just pull back and pull the trigger and it naturally finds it' s mark now.

TAKE MY ADVICE, FIND THE PINS, DEVELOP A CONSISTENT FORM THAT WORKS FOR YOU, AND MAKE SURE YOUR GRIP AND ANCHOR POINTS ARE THE SAME.

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OK... LISTEN..AND THINK... THE PLACEMENT OF THE SIGHT AND STRING TOGETHER HAVE ABSOULOUTLY NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER..
NOTHING !!!! YOU COULD MOUNT YOUR SIGHT OFF THE BOLT HOLE FOR THE
LIMB POCKET AND IT WOULNT MATTER.. THE POINT OF THE SIGHT IS TO
PUT A DOT EXACTLY WHERE THE ARROWS GOING TO IMPACT... IT CAN DO THAT
NO MATTER WHERE ITS MOUNTED!!!! SO DO THE LEFT OF THE STRING THING
AND IT WILL BE OK...

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Silentdeath.
I don' t quite get how the sights left of the string thing works. I might be mistaken, and probably am [&:] but unless you adjust the launcher left so the arrow shoots out to the left, the pins won' t be wear the arrow will hit. The arrow will be hiting to the right of were the pins say it will. Also if the arrow is not dead center of the direction the string is pushing it (exactly straight forward) then as the arrow leaves the string it will try to straighten up which will cause it to fishtail through the air. Not good.[:' (] So I thought (I could be wrong though) the arrow had to be dead center of the string so it flies straight out and doesn' t fishtail. So inorder for the sights to put a dot were the arrow will hit, they would have to be inline with the string.

Could you please clarify how the left of the string thing works please.
Thanks.

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Don' t do this!!!!!

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Hows this one.

I bought a cheapy silverhawk PSE bow kit, for a friends son off Ebay, new in the box.

Hard plastic flipper rest. Throws the arrow to the right. More then the site would go if you lined up behind the string, with the site as far in as it would go. There is no peep on the string now. It would be useless anyway.

To shoot this bow accurately I have to anchor, and sight with my left eye(opposite eye, I' m right handed) Put the pin on it, and twack!

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that doesn' t sound right but if it works for you then that' s all that matters. ;)

Have you ever paper tned it to see if the arrows are fish tailing as they fly?

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There is no way around it with the cheap basic rest that came with the bow package. Hard black plastic sticking out. No way to make it not hit the fletchings. It knocks the arrow sideways as it leaves. The only way to correct this is to go with a different arrow rest.I could make a prong style work, but it isn' t my bow. All I can do is suggest.

Like I said, this was a cheap beginners bow package from PSE. You get what you pay for!

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There is a way Hyawatha. I think that' s the same bow my son shoots but his is a Xi Silverhawk. I honestly think it is the same and they have been around awhile. You can use the old springy rests on those bows or you can rig a prong rest to drop away and shoot the cock vane pointed out. When I first started everyone used the springy rests and didn' t know any better.

We' re using a savage magnetic drop-away on Logans and he shoots it well. In this pic he is shooting some of my arrows with the nocks turned for his bow and doesn' t have much trouble getting 4" groups at 20 yds. His pins are in line with his arrow and we can even get this bow to paper tune with these xtra long 3555' s.

You might try something like that. Hope this helps.

-Chief

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I emailed a response to you Hyawatha. I think you can get better flight out of that bow.

Some of my replies just don' t go through.

-Chief

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Got the e-mail, and replied back.

I agree totally. All I can do is suggest. It is not my bow. Or it would have a prong.