What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
09-11-2008 | 10:19 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver
Bruce, YOU carrying a deer rifle into YOUR bowhunting stand concerns ME, because WE are hunting the SAME DEER. When YOU poach it, it's dead.
Poaching affects everybody. Same as a 2-year old careening down the highway in a pickup truck.
Deer are property of the state, not the individual. If you were poaching deer that you OWNED (such as inside a canned-hunt) - I wouldn't care if you took a bazooka in there and blew up every deer in sight. They're YOUR deer.
But when you're hunting state-owned property, you're harming EVERY CITIZEN inside the state, AND every American citizen eligible to buy a tag to hunt that deer.
This isn't a situation where you're only harming yourself.
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I does my carrying a deer rifle into my bowhunting stand become a burden to you or anyone? Endanger you or anyone? A 2 year old driving would endager themselves and evryone on the road. Time for a better analogy
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I does my carrying a deer rifle into my bowhunting stand become a burden to you or anyone? Endanger you or anyone? A 2 year old driving would endager themselves and evryone on the road. Time for a better analogy
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Poaching affects everybody. Same as a 2-year old careening down the highway in a pickup truck.
Deer are property of the state, not the individual. If you were poaching deer that you OWNED (such as inside a canned-hunt) - I wouldn't care if you took a bazooka in there and blew up every deer in sight. They're YOUR deer.
But when you're hunting state-owned property, you're harming EVERY CITIZEN inside the state, AND every American citizen eligible to buy a tag to hunt that deer.
This isn't a situation where you're only harming yourself.
09-11-2008 | 10:21 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
ORIGINAL: Germ
true but now you're on a slippery slope
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
While I agree with your point, I think you're missing his. He never said law abiding bowhunters would not be allowed to carry a handgun, he suggested that law abiding bowhunters would not be allowed to carry a handgun with a 10 inch barrel and a scope.
Those guns aren't much for self defense anyway unless you're using them as a club.
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
If you want to have an impact on poaching make the penaltys extremely severe and enforce them, don't limit what legal hunters can do. Why is that, when someone wants to impact lawbreakers adversly they want laws that limit law abiding citizens? This is like the idiot DC gun laws(now rightly overturned), don't allow legal handgun ownership by law-abiding citizens to prevent criminals from using them in crimes. How asinine is that? So, now we have"Don't allow law-abiding bowhunters to carry sidearms because poachers will use them to poach" LOL
If you want to have an impact on poaching make the penaltys extremely severe and enforce them, don't limit what legal hunters can do. Why is that, when someone wants to impact lawbreakers adversly they want laws that limit law abiding citizens? This is like the idiot DC gun laws(now rightly overturned), don't allow legal handgun ownership by law-abiding citizens to prevent criminals from using them in crimes. How asinine is that? So, now we have"Don't allow law-abiding bowhunters to carry sidearms because poachers will use them to poach" LOL
Those guns aren't much for self defense anyway unless you're using them as a club.
It's like trying to patrol Compton with the 10 most senior members of the bridge club. It ain't gonna work well.
09-11-2008 | 10:31 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
Gary, a person who has never been a poacher can become one in a hurry if firepower meets opportunity. If you think every hunter in this entire country was blessed with copious amounts of self-restraint, then you have more faith in your fellow hunter than I do. I have no faith in people anymore. I wouldn't trust my fellow hunters any further than I could throw them.
I'm not a drunk driver, but I'm happy that we have laws protecting us against drunk drivers.
I don't cheat on my taxes, but I'm happy that we have laws in place to protect us from those who do.
I'm not a drug addict, but I'm happy that thereis alegal framework in place, helping keep drugs off the streets.
I'm not a delinquent dad, but I'm happy that there are built-in legal assurances that they comply with their support duties.
If everybody in this country puked sunshine and crapped rainbows, we wouldn't need laws to control people. They would know how to act. Unfortunately, you can't let the inmates run the institution - and protect the innocent man from those will ill-intentions.
Hey man, the results of this poll don't lie.We clearly have a huge majority that draws the line "somewhere." While theplacement of that line variesfrom voter-to-voter, it's easy to see the pattern.
Obviously, I'm not the only one who doesn't think it's a great idea toencourage people to take guns into the bow stand. Not rocket science here. Just common sense.
I'm not a drunk driver, but I'm happy that we have laws protecting us against drunk drivers.
I don't cheat on my taxes, but I'm happy that we have laws in place to protect us from those who do.
I'm not a drug addict, but I'm happy that thereis alegal framework in place, helping keep drugs off the streets.
I'm not a delinquent dad, but I'm happy that there are built-in legal assurances that they comply with their support duties.
If everybody in this country puked sunshine and crapped rainbows, we wouldn't need laws to control people. They would know how to act. Unfortunately, you can't let the inmates run the institution - and protect the innocent man from those will ill-intentions.
Hey man, the results of this poll don't lie.We clearly have a huge majority that draws the line "somewhere." While theplacement of that line variesfrom voter-to-voter, it's easy to see the pattern.
Obviously, I'm not the only one who doesn't think it's a great idea toencourage people to take guns into the bow stand. Not rocket science here. Just common sense.
09-11-2008 | 10:37 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
Gary, a person who has never been a poacher can become one in a hurry if firepower meets opportunity.
09-11-2008 | 10:40 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
Gary, a person who has never been a poacher can become one in a hurry if firepower meets opportunity.
09-11-2008 | 10:43 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
quik
maybe the poll is skewed by people that answer no because they live in a state that does not allow them the choice toCC if they want. They may answer different if they could legally carry.
maybe the poll is skewed by people that answer no because they live in a state that does not allow them the choice toCC if they want. They may answer different if they could legally carry.
09-11-2008 | 10:45 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
quik
maybe the poll is skewed by people that answer no because they live in a state that does not allow them the choice toCC if they want. They may answer different if they could legally carry.
maybe the poll is skewed by people that answer no because they live in a state that does not allow them the choice toCC if they want. They may answer different if they could legally carry.
09-11-2008 | 10:49 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
ORIGINAL: Germ
So with that logic, Every womancan become hooker
Gary, a person who has never been a poacher can become one in a hurry if firepower meets opportunity.
09-11-2008 | 10:49 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
Quick China has a bunch of laws like you like Say the word, I'll buy you a one way ticket to China, but the deal is, you cannot come back
Say the word, I'll buy you a one way ticket to China, but the deal is, you cannot come back
09-11-2008 | 10:50 AM
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RE: What should a bowhunter be allowed to carry for self-defense?
Gary, if you think for one second thatyou live in a free country, the joke is on you.
If you don't believe me, get out your precious handgun, and try walking into a courthouse or a prison or across a college campuswith it in your hand. See where your Second Amendment "rights" are, then.
If you don't believe me, get out your precious handgun, and try walking into a courthouse or a prison or across a college campuswith it in your hand. See where your Second Amendment "rights" are, then.