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Greg Ritz said
I either heard on a tv show or read in a magazine that Greg Ritz said that "muzzleloading was a mixture of bowhunting and rifle hunting... " something like that I think.
Do you agree? When I first heard this I thought no way, but after I gave it some thought they are vaguely similar yet drastically different. One shot? Yes. "Primitave" weapon? Yes. Attention to detail? Sure. Equipment upkeep? Deffinitely. Thoughts on this? |
RE: Greg Ritz said
Apples and Oranges
Two different beasts. I have a hard time calling anything "primitive" that has the ability to shoot out to 250yds as many of these new muzzies have. I'm a bit of a traditionalist as well that says if you have a muzzleloader there shouldn't be a scope, JMHO. Not to mention there is a HUGE difference between getting within 80-100yds of a deer and closing the distance to 35 yds or under. Like I said, Apples to Oranges |
RE: Greg Ritz said
I agree with your reference to primitive.. thats why I put it in quotes. I also agree with the difference between effective ranges. You're right it IS apples and oranges.. but are apples and oranges both not ffruit? I believe the same can be applied here, they are drastically different like I said, but once you give it some thought they pose some acute similarites as well.
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RE: Greg Ritz said
Muzzleloading USED TO BE. Now, with his muzzes, you can get to 200 yards easily, sorry dude, no longer even close. With a flintlock and round ball, the ranges between archery and muzz are not much different, but witha TC Pro-Hunter, you basically have a rifle with no cartridge.
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RE: Greg Ritz said
Take away the instant firing loads the modernML now uses.....and the scopes....and we're getting "closer" to being "comparable". I hear people talk about iron sights and flintlocks and a 60yd shot being the top end.....and I can somewhat relate to them.
The modern ML "comparable" to bowhunting, though? No way.:eek: |
RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: GMMAT Take away the instant firing loads the modernML now uses.....and the scopes....and we're getting "closer" to being "comparable". I hear people talk about iron sights and flintlocks and a 60yd shot being the top end.....and I can somewhat relate to them. The modern ML "comparable" to bowhunting, though? No way.:eek: |
RE: Greg Ritz said
"Primitave" weapon? Yes. The old pumkin shooters, maybe..... |
RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: RockinChair ORIGINAL: GMMAT Take away the instant firing loads the modernML now uses.....and the scopes....and we're getting "closer" to being "comparable". I hear people talk about iron sights and flintlocks and a 60yd shot being the top end.....and I can somewhat relate to them. The modern ML "comparable" to bowhunting, though? No way.:eek: |
RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: YooperMike ORIGINAL: RockinChair ORIGINAL: GMMAT Take away the instant firing loads the modernML now uses.....and the scopes....and we're getting "closer" to being "comparable". I hear people talk about iron sights and flintlocks and a 60yd shot being the top end.....and I can somewhat relate to them. The modern ML "comparable" to bowhunting, though? No way.:eek: |
RE: Greg Ritz said
He works for T/C, he's just pushing product...
When I put down my bow, I pick up a hand made .54 caliber flintlock, shooting .530 patched balls...I can put them in an inch and a half group at 50 yards and have killed deer out to 125 yards...A properly tuned flintlock is light years ahead of a bow... With an inline there is even more difference... |
RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: nchawkeye He works for T/C, he's just pushing product... When I put down my bow, I pick up a hand made .54 caliber flintlock, shooting .530 patched balls...I can put them in an inch and a half group at 50 yards and have killed deer out to 125 yards...A properly tuned flintlock is light years ahead of a bow... With an inline there is even more difference... |
RE: Greg Ritz said
Last year was my first year with a muzzleloader. I shot a nice buck at 15 yards, open sights, out of my bow stand in rifle season. I use it during rifle season here in NC. It is also nice to be out before the Orange Army slaughters everything in sight here.
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RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: RockinChair I either heard on a tv show or read in a magazine that Greg Ritz said that "muzzleloading was a mixture of bowhunting and rifle hunting... " something like that I think. Do you agree? When I first heard this I thought no way, but after I gave it some thought they are vaguely similar yet drastically different. One shot? Yes. "Primitave" weapon? Yes. Attention to detail? Sure. Equipment upkeep? Deffinitely. Thoughts on this? Maybe this comparison makes a little more sense if they are using open sites on the muzzleloader? |
RE: Greg Ritz said
With old school style muzzleloaders i could agree with it. The new ones that can shoot 2-250 yards, thats the same as rifle hunting.
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RE: Greg Ritz said
Who's Greg Ritz?
And no, it's nothing like bowhunting other than a single shot at a time. |
RE: Greg Ritz said
Greg Ritz is a tool on a whitetail hunting show on espn2 and I believe he is also the president of Thompson Center Arms, or one of the muzzleloading companies,
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RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: dmen Greg Ritz is a tool on a whitetail hunting show on espn2 and I believe he is also the president of Thompson Center Arms, or one of the muzzleloading companies,  |
RE: Greg Ritz said
Dec 21, 2006 ... Gregg Ritz, Thompson/Center's president and CEO who will become president of Smith & Wesson's hunting line, said the purchase will help the ... I guess he used to be president before it was bought out, either way I agreestill a tool |
RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer Who's Greg Ritz? And no, it's nothing like bowhunting other than a single shot at a time. |
RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: dmen Dec 21, 2006 ... Gregg Ritz, Thompson/Center's president and CEO who will become president of Smith & Wesson's hunting line, said the purchase will help the ... I guess he used to be president before it was bought out, either way I agreestill a tool  I'll drink to that |
RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: GMMAT x2 Most bowhunters will probably never shoot past 50-55yds at a deer - even with the most technologically advanced bows on the market. This still doesn't compare to even Civil War era muzzleloaders that had effective killing rangesupwards of200 yds. (And if you don't believe me on this one, just do a little research ;)) |
RE: Greg Ritz said
ORIGINAL: wahoohunter ORIGINAL: GMMAT x2 Most bowhunters will probably never shoot past 50-55yds at a deer - even with the most technologically advanced bows on the market. This still doesn't compare to even Civil War era muzzleloaders that had effective killing rangesupwards of200 yds. (And if you don't believe me on this one, just do a little research ;)) |
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