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LOL....NO ONE will answer this...:)

I'm fully aware that the peep should be set when all anchors are set. Given. But I'll defer to the question above if you say you're not using it as "an" anchor reference.

Agreed! I asked back on page 1, though....that as long as you're not torquing the string.....how can the arrow NOT go where the pin is if the pin housing and the peep are aligned? I also asked in another thread if we couldn't simply squat i.l.o. bending at the waist.....which would maintain the sight line (pin housing centered in peep). I think we can.

In this instance you're either:

1. NOT going to have the correct halo

or

2. You're gonna have to torque the string to get it (or get very close), right?

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Which is exactly why it is a trick question,it is not possible.;)

I answered your peep question,it can be used as a reference and is by many but imo,shouldn't be.

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Jeff just man up and shoot without one:D

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I can tell you this, T.....

If you put 100 hunters in front of you and had them draw their bows.....and you moved everyone's peep sight 1" up (beforehand).......

.........THAT is what they'd notice (once all their other anchor references had been established). If people think their peep sight isn't a point of reference for anchoring.....then what do you trust? Do you just look through the peep......other anchors be damned....and shoot? OR....do you get all of your other anchors set.....and then realize.....no KNOW your peep's been compromised?

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I trust my anchors.

I have had my peep move slightly and it doesn't take me long to know that it has moved.Not because of where I hit but because I am not comfortable.


I have agreed with you that it does get used as a reference but it shouldn't be.

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[quoteWhat's the difference? If your peep is "off"....and you're not using it as an anchoring reference....how would you know it was "off" (once set)?
][/quote]

That's why a peep is not an anchor reference.The peep is checked by proper anchor. Proper anchor is not checked by the peep; therefore it cannot be an anchor reference. When you drop your bow arm, lower your head, or anything else that changes that"perfect angle form"you practice standing on the ground, your anchor point will change to compensate and "fit" the peep to the sight. So now you have a peep centered in your sight, but changed your anchor to achieve it. How can the peep be a anchor reference if it can cause this kind of error? Again, it's not a rear rifle sight. Bending at the waist from an elevated position keeps you from reinventing your form in a tree.

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If you're implying that the archer would foresake other anchors and "trust" his peep ONLY as a reference point.....I agree, wholeheartedly. That's why I said I think looking through the peep would be the last reference.....after all of the others have been "set" is the way it should be done. But to write off the peep as NOT being an anchor reference isn't being realistic in my book. If you get to that point and it's "off".....unless you're using it as a reference point you'd never know. Of course this becomes circular.....because you'd know by virtue of all your other anchors being "right", huh?[8D]

No. It's not the most important (not even second). Yes. It is a reference. Common ground?:D

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Holy semantical GOD!:D

AGAIN....you're assuming the archer is placing too much emphasis on the peep being AN anchor reference and that he's foresaking all other anchor references to only get a clear sight window. I'm not saying he's doing that at all.....or advocating it.

Assuming all other anchor points are intact, though.....the peep is AN anchor reference. For you to say it isn't....you HAVE to assume he's compromising his other references. I dont' have to say that to claim it is.

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I've never used a peep...I anchor at the corner of my mouth (I shoot fingers) and make sure that I bring my nose down and touch the string...That is the key to me shooting from an elevated position...I found out years ago that if I wore a face mask then I couldn't feel the string as well with my nose and I shot high (twice on one deer I shot high!!!)...:D

Lesson learned...Take the face mask off and I'm bending my neck, feeling the string which ineffect lowers the rear sight picture...I did learn that my bow must be pretty quiet and fast enough...Both times the deer stood there while the arrow stuck in the ground behind him, he didn't know what happened and finally walked away...

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I feel like quoting the Hoppe's gun care commercial. I don't really need to know how it works. I just know that it does. I had someone show me one day. It worked and from that day forth, I bent at the waist.

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Why ask the question if you are going to argue with everyone that responds (and obviously knows more than you do)? I am honestly suprised that there are so many people here that are willing to continue to try and "help" you when you are obviously too smart to be helped and really just started this thread to get a debate started. Because it's obvious you had no intention of listening to anyone in the first place. I continued to read after the first few posts out of a morbid sense of curiosity but had to quit in the middle because of the mind numbing ignorance of your side of the debate, and the direction that you continued to take it..... JMO Just shoot however you want and quit boring the rest of us to death if you don't really wnat any help to begin with.[:'(]

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Silent..

I'm not arguing with anyone. We're having a discussion. Point. Counterpoint.

If you don't like the thread.......keep out. Simple enough;)

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Your points of contact with your face...hand to jawline, nose to string are ANCHOR POINTS.

Your peep sight is an ANCHOR REFERENCE and SIGHTING TOOL.
It can help to verify that your anchor is correct and that your sights are aligned. It is not considered an ANCHOR POINT because it does not ANCHOR or contact any point of your body and IMO also because it can be variable due to movement up or down within the string.

All anchor points are referencesbut all references are not anchor points. An anchor point must be something that cannot change under any circumstances, your hand to your face and where your string touches your nose for example. If you touch your earlobe, or back of your neck or whatever. Your string doesn't change and your hands , face neck and body don't change...........the things you ATTACH to the string CAN change. you don't rely on them as your anchor, you REFERENCE them to verify your anchor.

I do not consider a kisser button as an ANCHOR POINT even though it contacts your face because it can also MOVE, it is also an anchor referencesimply helping to verifythat your anchor is correct and your sight is aligned.

I hunted last year without a peep sight or kisser button......... just because I could. ;)

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GMMAT,

I try to make it a habit of staying out of all of your threads but since it is a public forum, I just thought I'd let you know what I thought about this one. Simple enough;)

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I feel like a dentist.:D

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GMMAT do you have something against bending at the waist? jk;)

I follow what you are saying and can tell you I have practiced from almost every conceivable angle in my stand many of which were impossible to maintain "perfect"form duringand in those instances I simply anchored lined up my peep and sight ring(like usual)and rarely if ever did I notice more than an inch change in my POI (about 22 yards). And while I am surethat could growat longer distances the main point of the practice was to be prepared (inside 25 yards) for any shot I could take in a stand even if the situation was less than ideal. You coulddiscuss the theories all day long, do what works for you.

What difference does this thread make anyway, your longbow doesn't have a peep or pins anyway.:D

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Sure...but it's much easier to skip over one than to come into it and piss and moan about how you hate the subject matter or the poster.

Kinda like everybody did with your "Had a good weekend" thread;). See how easy that was for all of us?:D

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I look at it this way.........you have to bend at the waist. If you're 20-25 feet up a tree, and you have a deer at 7 yards you want to shoot, ain't no way you're gonna lower your arm, without bending your waist, and shoot the deer. Your neck won't bend that far down to keep your eye in line with the halo of the sight you speak of...........or to keep your nose on the string as other guysdo. It's pure mechanics.

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I'm a firm believer in benidng at the waist. Hope I didn't come off as saying it isn't important. Not my intention.

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I would agree that it is a sighting tool, and that's how it's used.


I SIGHT my peep into my PIN SIGHT. It has never had anything to do with my anchor. If your peep is even slightly out from centering in your sight, who would change their anchor to achieve this. Who goes to a bow shop, or installs a peep in their string, and says " Let's put a peep in there so I can figure out my anchor point" Therefore it is not an anchor reference, it is a sighting tool used to see throught the string (as others have pointed out). Are we going to say a sight is an anchor reference because we center it in the peep? Makes no sense to me.

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No one. You establish all of your anchor points THEN set your peep sight. The fact that it's a reference is from pure default. You seem to be stuck on it being THE FOCAL reference. It isn't. Conceded. Never said it was. In fact.....I'll say it again....it's the last thing I'd refer to. But..... It is "A" reference...........(and if it makes you feel better).....for me.

Oh yeah.....and Matt[8D]

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What was the Question?

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We were discussing bear baiting....and the double standard applied tothose whobait deerby those who bait bears.

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I do. I guess I am just not one of the poular kids like you;)But I am smart enough to know when to keep my mouth shut and listen. That's how I learned alot of what I know and why people continued to be willing to share information with me. Which is preciely why you don't see me on here asking a bunch of, well let's just say, not the brightest questions. But then again I learned all of the stuff you are asking questions about a long time ago. So maybe I should cut you a little more slackconsidering you're still just a rookie;)[:-]

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That's me man. I'm a rookie. You pegged me. ;)

Here's a GREAT example of that!......lol

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Well if thats the case, a double standard would only exist if all things were the same and one was chosen or allowed to do something over the other, since a Bear is a Bear and a Deer is a Deer there is no double standard. Not that I care if anyone baits their deer in.
Kind of like a monkey bitching about not being allowed to own a hand gun ;).

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Baiting is baiting! That's your common denominator....and I have nothing against either being baited. I was just yanking your chain.

And you're on your own with the monkeys!:)

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There's but one anchor point, which is where you draw the string to,then stop once at full draw, every time. Nose to string, peep, pin, they are strictlyreference points. Like Rob said, it's all about the anchor being consistent.