Lining up your shot
 

When lining up your shot, do you start low thenraise yourbow/sight to your spot or do you start high and lower onto your spot? Any reason for your preference?

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Try not to do either. Try to put my pin on the target before I draw and keep it there.

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I draw level to keep correct formand then adjust at the waist to put my pin on the target, whether it be up or down.

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I usually start out a little low, although I try to draw on the aiming point.

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x2 usually start low but try to draw on target.

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I do the same thing, I'm just asking who comes down on the bulls eye or who goes upto it. If someone is consistant, they will do either all the time, the same way. Just curious. No right or wrong.

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I draw and aim at the target, but you will always need to re-adjust a little but. I can't imagine there's anyone good enough to be spot on when the draw every time. I stay a bit high and come down on the spot.

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HEll no I'm not good enough to be spot on every time.....but its something to strive for. I don't consciously raise or lower my pin to the target. I'm sure I do both from time to time....but if you're doing that consciously.....you're thinking about somethingother than your target IMO.

Curious to hear what the Matt's & Robdo......or their technique.

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Everyone starts by aimimg "generally" at their spot then adjust's accordingly, up or down. It has to be either way. You're never going to start your draw exactly on your spot and maintain that position until release. There must be some deviation. Usually up or down.;)

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I start my draw with the bow aiming downward normally. Then as I draw I raise my bow and normally by the end of the draw I have my sights close to where it should be. Once I'm on target my sights normally move in a "O" shape of a figure "8".

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I'm no expert, but from what I've read from a few members on here and over on AT, it's common in the shot process to devote some period of time (obviously small) to checking level on the site, and adjusting the pin placement. Once I get the pin settled, THEN I begin my target focus/shot execution process. I don't go back to the pin once this starts, and I think that's where issues can come up. You get your pin situated, then start the shot execution, then refocus on the pin, and adjust, then try to go back to the shot execution, etc.

Again, I'm FAR from an expert, this is just what I've gathered from reading a bit.

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So when your pin's floating, EI......does it float only up or only down?

Why does it "have" to be one way or the other?

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IU never really thought about what that.. LOL I just draw aim and shoot.

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Good point on the float. My pin floats wherever it wants. I was refering to when I first draw back and settle in (check the level, bring the pin down on to the point, and then start the float). Not sure it really matters how you do it, I just come down from the top.

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Generally when shooting, a person will either raise or lower their bow to get spot on for the shot. They don't go from left or right to get on target. Think about it.

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well i have target panic an come up on the target.. then i lock up about an inch below the target then i gotta pull my self up lil bit more before i shoot... i know i know its not good but way to late in the year to even begin to try an fix it... so i jus deal with it..

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EI I'm not arguing with you at all. I'm just thinking about what I do. I know I do consciously try to keep my target in my sight window. I don't much worry about it after that.

Interesting......but I don't think I have a "method" of raising or lowering. It's usually "pretty close" before I get to the point of making my downrange target my only focal point.

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That's EXACTLY what I'm referring to.;) And like I said already, there's no right or wrong.

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I try to draw back on my target but i almost always come up to low. It also depends on how big of dot i am shooting at on my target.... if it is big i always freeze up my sight right below it and i don't no why. But if it is small, i can usually cover it if i come from below.

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I am pretty much where I need to be by the time I get my anchor settled in and look through the peep, if were talking about shooting flat footed on the ground at a target.
From a tree stand I always come down on it, bending at the waist.

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While aiming, my tendency is to have to raise my sight to get on target. I always have to fight to keep it up.;)

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(Buzzer sound) EEERRT, wrong answer. ;)

When I draw and come to anchor, my pin is usually on the target (somewhere) automatically. I simply adjust the pin to the spot be it up/down/left or right and start my float.

Rarely although it does happen that my pin is totally off the target but I don't think about it, I just move it to the target. I don't start up and go down, I don't start down and go up.....all that leads to target panic by trying to punch trigger as it passes the mark.

Where ever my pin ends up at full draw I simply move it to the mark and start my float and concentration.

Now that's shooting from level ground. Obviously when shooting from an elevated state I draw level and move down to the intended target/mark.

And when shooting in Harrisburg, the targets above the shooters, Draw level and move up to the target.

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Generally I start high and come down to the target. I'm thinking of just shooting target specifically. A LOT of guys state they start on target before they draw and keep it there. There isn't a black and white right answer, but I know A LOT of pro's start high and come down.

Videos to come.

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That's the very reason why I STILL have target panic......and a MONTH before season opener. I'm fighting this disease hard and I'm hoping I can get it worked out before October 4th.[&o] I've never felt the lack of confidence going into a season as I do now.

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???? How is this even possible? If this is possible I would love to hear how you pull this off without a machine.
I personally go up with the pin after draw.

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now that Rob answered, what i do will loose its "validity" as what i ACTUALLY do...

but ive always done how rob described....i think most of it came from "bending at the waist" and its easier to hit your anchors level (parallel to flat ground) and keep those anchors to shoot targets below and above you...just helps me remember the bend at the waist to keep anchors so thats how and why i started doing that....if im on level ground, my pin ends up on target when i hit my anchors..just fine tune from there....i dont THINK about getting on target...thats where my focus is and it just "happens"

im a self, and internet taught archer...not an expert by any means...

funny though, when im in a deer stand and drawing on a deer, i bend my waist to get on the deer and draw "on the deer" keep my form and anchor points...but draw straight back on the deer to minimize movement...i do the same when practicing from the stand as well...so thats the odd ball coming out in my shooting....

i can tell when im not on my anchor points though...i practice alot and i can just tell "it doesnt feel right" and i can tell when my level is level without looking 90% of the time...i check it everytime...but dont have to consciencly adjust the level to be level most of the time...just "feels" or looks off if im not level....

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I just pull i dont really aim.. I get a gen proximity and adjust

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I draw and find the target somewhere in my peep, then move to "my little spot" and as soon as I am there, I release.

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From a stand, I draw, anchor, bend at the waist and lower on the target, focus through sight on said target, center peep within sight, float yardage pin on targetbased on exit hole, andrelease. I never really focus on the pins. They just kind of float around in front of me, much like the centering of the peep in the sight. I really try to stay focused on the target. One of the reasons I only shoot out to 30 yards. Beyond that, I have a tendency to start "aiming" the pin, and lose focus on the target.

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I don't understand the question. How is it possible? First....I'm not over-bowed. I can put my pin on my target and draw it straight back.

I'm not understanding why you find this difficult to comprehend.

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Hard to immagine keeping that still.

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I said this way back on page 2, JESUS. From this point....it's simply a matter of float.

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I understand what he goes through bringing it up,in fact sometimes it seems like my brain wont let me bring it up enough,like something`s keeping it down.
As for having the pin on the target before draw,you really cant until you can see through the peep unless you dont use one

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Of course you can. I've drawn my bow enough times to know where I'm gonna be at full draw. This isn't a stretch;)

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I start low and raise once i reach the spot just behind shoulder above the pit, let it go.

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Assuming I'm shooting at something on level ground, I typically come down from the top with the pin and then float on the spot, focus on the spot and subconciously pull through to my touch point.

On the back end of the bow during my draw/anchor shot setup, you will see me draw and then tuck my release hand up and into my anchor point and raise my rear elbow to the spot I continue to pull from to execute. This action on the back end of the bow during the shot setup brings the front of the bow down and onto the spot I'm trying to hit. It's subtle but that's how it goes down if you were to see my sight picture. I'm not overbowed, and can shoot a LOT more weight than I do normally, but it's the best way I've found to find that anchor and engage my back properly from the beginning of the sequence without wasting time during the sequence.

Lots of pro level shooters do this lots of ways. What's much more important is to engage your release side rhomboid (back muscle between shoulder blade/spine) in the shot from the beginning of the shot sequence, and to make sure you don't waste a bunch of precious time during the shot sequence with all sorts of hunting around for the anchor point, etc.


Most of you have seen this video but it shows exactly what I'm doing for my sequence.

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That's awesome Matt.

Let me ask you this.....

Are you putting your intended target in your sight housing before you begin to draw back? If so....does it ever leave your sight housing from that point, forward?

Thanks.

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I'm probably missing something, here, but isn't that basically what early in is referencing? The movement BEFORE the float begins? That's what I made mention of because that's what I thought he was asking (what direction do we move initially to get ready to float). Or are you saying it's a bad habit to move in the SAME direction every time (i.e. from top down)?

Either way, I'm sure MOST (if not all) archers move somewhat once anchored before they begin their float. I know I'm holding the bow at the target when I draw and anchor, but my exact point needs adjusting before beginning my float.

Let's use the Morrell bag for instance. Matt, Rob, and any others with some experience...are you saying you can line up that 2" dot in the sight housing, then draw back, anchor and the pin is right there on the 2" dot somewhere? If so, then I stand corrected, but I would assume even drawing the aforementioned way would still lead to having to move the pin in some direction before starting the float, right?

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I can see the expected POI through my scope housing/pin guard, but by no means am I keeping the pin on the target through the sequence. I'm focused on engaging the proper muscles at this point to create what I call (stolen from GRIV) dynamic tension in my shot sequence. Once I'm at anchor, tension is in the proper spot, that rear elbow is up and into the spot I pull to execute from, the pin is moved down into the spot and that's when I flip the switch mentally to stop thinking about what's going on other than staring at the spot I want to hit. The rest just happens.