Can "Hunting" be defined?
 

From a topic in another thread....

Can we say what "hunting" is to someone else" Can we define "hunting" FOR someone else?

If a man thinks what he's doing .....sitting over a baited site is "hunting"......can anyone say otherwise (and have ANY credibility)?

The same man is in a tree with his bow .......inside a fenced enclosure. He says he's "hunting". Can anyone define what he's doing as something other than that (barring personal opinion)?

I find it extremely condescending for someone to think they can determine what another hunter is receiving from HIS experience. Isn't everyone else's personal definition moot?

Disclaimer: Everything in the aforementioned is being done legally.

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Why do you keep bringing up baiting and fenced hunting together??

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Because they're both legal methods of taking game.

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Not in PA.

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Can "Women" be defined?

They are similar creatures (hunting vs. women) IMO...

You cant really describe why you like em, but you cant live without doing either one!:D

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Are you peeing when you pee? Are you eating when you eat?

Hunting, hello, is defined as searching for something. I can be hunting car keys in my living room. How you hunt is your own business. Define how you kill deer and that is a different definition altogether.

LT

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Hunting can be defined but no we can't define hunting for anyone other than ourselves.

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I agree that hunting is different for each person doing it. I have realized on this board that personal opinion is put out there pretty often as gospel. I believe the same can be said for those who look down on people because they took a young deer (fawn, button head or what not), or for taking a 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 year old deer. I have been bow hunting now for 26 years and what hunting is for me changes all the time, sometimes day-to-day. There are times when I want the challenge of taking nothing but a mature buck, other time I just want to shoot a deer. However, back you your question, IMO a person cannot pass judgement on another persons hunting style and still have credibility in my eyes.

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IMO it is NOT up to the individual to define hunting. Mr Webster and the game laws do that. Otherwise I could go out tonight, sit at the edge of a cornfield, camo’d up, bow, arrow nocked, whole 9 yards. If a Game Warden came up to me, I’d just say that I WASN’T hunting.

If you can say you are hunting when in fact you are sitting here typing, then you should be able to say you are waiting for a bus while you are sitting in your treestand.

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Rybo:

There's nothing illegal about sitting in your treestand at night.

We got into this conversation a couple years ago when someone tried to say I was breaking the law by going ot my stand at 4:00AM.

I talked to the GW here and told him about the conversation we were having, here. I asked....."Am I doing anything against the law by going to my stand at 4:00AM"? Chris (GW) asks...."It's dark at 4:00AM, right"? "yup". "Then how in the hell could you be hunting"?

At 4:00AM I'm waiting to hunt.

You're bringing (IMO) the variable of illegal activity into the equation where it doesn't belong. I stated in the original post that everything being done was being done,legally.

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But to do something legally, it has to be definable.

And to add to the mess, you may have common sense GW's where you live, but here in PA, they used to fine guys coming out of the woods after dark for hunting after hours. Our times ended at sunset. Even if you chose to honor the law and quit hunting with full light, sometimes a long hike out or even being pinned down by deer and making you late would get you a fine. They've since changed the rules thankfully.

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I'm not sure how that relates to this discussion....as long as we can all understand that I'm not condoning or even putting illegal activity into the mix.

EVERYTHING (in the scenarios depicted) is being done, legally.

Can we say what "hunting" is FOR someone else? Can we define what it is, to them?

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Hunting is defined in all hunting regulations. That's all you need to know.:D

For example... I just got my New York license today. The regs say:

To Hunt-- means to pursue, shoot, kill or capture (other than trap0 wildlife and includes all lesser acts that disturb or worry wildlife whether or not they result in taking. Hunting also insludes all acts to assist another person in taking wildlife.

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Well.....At the most rudimentary level, I would think we could define it as the pursuit of game.. Beyond that it gets fuzzy.

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The word hunting has a defanition but hunting in and of itself means something differant to everyone.
A better question would have been,what does hunting mean to you.

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No. Hunting for some is killing fawns. Others hunt mature deer only. Some do both.

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You cannot define or say what hunting is for anyone other than yourself. It is all a matter of your perspective. Like Kick_Buck said, it changes for people, for him day to day. Do you think the Aborigines that hunt with spears have the same perspective as us? Of course not.

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The definition for hunting doesn't waiver it is what it is, what varies is thatanINDIVIDUAL has their own idividual method and style of how they hunt.

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Actually they probobly kill as many fawns as some of us.

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Maybe it would be better to explain whathunters are.:eek:

I have hit golf balls ,does that make me a golfer?

I have bandaged injury's ,am I a doctor?

Did Jimmy Houston shooting a drugged deer in a pen qualify him as a hunter?

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Have you played golf? If so....you're a golfer. You might SUCK at it.....but you're still a golfer.

Was it being done, legally? Did Jimmy think HE was hunting (if it WAS legal)? If it's illegal....that doesn't even enter into the equation (for the 4th time). Poaching....I think we can ALL agree is NOT "hunting".

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I honestly dont care as long as its legal.

If I had a bait stand out and could shoot Bucks, or does. I would shoot um.

If I didnt have that available Id stalk etc.

I'm not out to impress im out to enjoy.

Im out to enjoy myself... I enjoy shooting deer dont matter how long as its legal.
My definition of hunting my vary from some as do others... I say if ya enjoy it and you consider it hunting more power to ya.

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So in your mind the man who does a goggle search for trophy white tail ,borrows his brother in laws dads gun,drives seventy mile to the address his tom tom led him to,swipes his visa card hits the credit & OK buttons and is led out the back door to shoot "Fred" the bottle fed buck is in your eye the same hunter assay Rob .:eek:

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Why must you twist everything?....lol:D. We're not comapring hunters, here. But in its most basic interpretation.....YES. He and Rob are both "Hunters".

Janet Reno and Pam Anderson are both "women".

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You seem to enjoy comparing all of us hunters to the lowest common denominator , I myself strive to associate with hunters with some what higher standards.;)

And I'm pretty sure Janet Reno was not born a woman.[:-]

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I say NO, you can't define or say what hunting is to that person as long as all is being done legally, which you have already stated. You can have an opinion but you can't define it!!!!

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Again....I'm not comparing hunters.

I'm comparing nothing.You've twisted the thread to your own liking. I'm saying whatyou think you're doing when you go hunting.....and what the guy you described isdoing.....are BOTH hunting (in your own, individual minds).

For anyone to condescendingly dismiss another's definition of whathunting is to that person......is kinda pitiful.

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In this case I'm am quite proud to be as you say "kinda Pitiful" ;)

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LOL...I know you are, Jim....I know YOU are...;)

It's the same principle as the fawn threads. We have one hunter condescending to and belittling another hunter for the taking of legal game in a legal manner.

It's not enough for you to have a dissenting opinion. You have to make it known that the guy doing it differently from you has no morals or ethics. And what has he really done.....other than hunt legally and ethically?

Nothing.;)

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The difference between the two of us is, I chose to rise to the highest of legal & ethical standards and you seem hell bent on defending the lowest.:eek:

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Was that an attack Ad Hominem????

Looks like another vapid post finally got there for you.

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Come on man, I am just an Arkansas red neck, you gotta keep itsimple in order for some of us to keep up. :D

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Oh fer cryin out loud,this one`s going 10 pages for no apparent reason.
I think huntingcan be clearlydefined, but everyone hunts differantly.Like the aboriginy`s for instance.

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First off.....Jim that Reno joke was priceless...I mean I had to stop and laugh hard for that one!! Secondly, I will bite on this one, hunting behind a fence is not hunting in my book. It's killing a deer. Look at it this way, does P&Y or B&C see hunting behind a fence fair chase or even hunting?? I don't think so.

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The term "Fair Chase" shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:
[ol][*]Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.[*]From any power vehicle or power boat.[*]While confined behind fences as on game farms, etc.[*]By "Jacklighting" or shining at night.[*]By the use of tranquilizers or poisons.[*]By the use of any power vehicles or power boat for herding or driving animals, including the use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.[*]By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game, or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached.[*]Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unsportsmanlike[/ol]

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ahhh!!!!! read number 3 Tecomonte!!!!! You are finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![>:]

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So, does that mean no rangefinders, no red dot sights and no lighted nocks?

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and no lighted sights.

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I have to agree that hunting is defined by the term iself, look it up in Websters.

Methods vary, Some use guns some use bows, Some use bait, some use food plots..is there a difference? How about dogs, treestands, deer drives??

Legality has to be used in the discussion, we are a governed body.

No one is forced to hunt in any way they choose not to. I can look down my nose at you and you can do the same to me.

If we all just collectively agree that weare all better than the next guy and hunt harder and more rightious, then we will truly get some-where!