Yeah, Germ.....but some of you LW guys are quasi MIDGETS.[8D]

I will agree But I have shoulder of a grown up[&:]

Last year, I was 5' 10" and 192... so not TOO far off what you said you were earlier. I hunted in temps in the teens, which I don't think you've got to worry too much about there in NC, and even wore my bulky Gray Wolf Woolens Predator wool bomber jacket and was fine.

Nope...

Only hunted teens here once in 3 years (Man if they were all like that day I wish we'd have more!)

I'm not TOO worried about being too big for it.

I actually dont use the sit and climb as a sit and climb. I just use it like a normal hand climber. I can get over 4' of bite each time, w/ the climbing bar you'd probably only get 2'.

But i think thats the same w/ Summit.

One other thing, The LW is better on your knees than the Summit (according to my dad). You're pulling striaght up, not from the front bar like on the summits. My dad has terrible knees and that was the first thing he praised the stand for, it didnt hurt his knees cause its a more "natural" movement.

Thats funny. Around here, I know three people that use lone wolf stands. I dont think any of them could kill a deer to save their lives. These guys have alot more money than hunting skills. Most of the time when i hear someone sayingthatLone Wolf is the ultimate, I know its only a matter of time before i hear how their Mathews is the only bow to own. My question is, What "strategic advantages" does the LW offer that a summit openshot doesnt?

Well now......The ability (if I so choose to) shoot while sitting is an advantage I might appreciate. That's for sure.

But Greg.....while I TRULY appreciate that review and comparison......I can't for the life of me figure out anything that would lead me to your conclusion (aptitude of hunters, based on stand choice). Thats weird (to me). You're sort of assigning putting up with discomfortas being synonymous with being a "tough" hunter (I suppose).

Did you feel like that before you bought one? (just kidding)

I dunno where the Summit rail is..but on a LW

Therail dangles if you will "as if" you were sitting in the seat it hangs where your knees would be (depending on your height)..but below the seat is that answer

Are we talking about securing the top to the bottom? Well the politically correct answer is ALWAYS: for SAFETY concerns secure the top to the bottom, in any 2 piece climber! But it's not neccesary for functionality, nor does it help it or hinder it in any way.

GMMAT as an atheletic, able bodied type individual, if you are going to look at Lone Wolf Stands don't automatically think sit and climb...my hand climber goes to the woods 8 times out of 10, the sit and climb goes the other 2.

I push the seat cushion back and sit on that So the seat cushion rest on the rail

Mine is for sale. I paid $360.00 and it's only been in a tree twice...for very brief periods. I'll split the cost of shipping to keep me from driving it back to the not-so-local store that I bought it from. If interested, PM me.

I just got back from the woods and this stand just will not work for me. I did do a bit better with top portion than I spoke ofin my orriginal post and think that with more practice I could be okay with that part of the operation. However, I'm just too dang tall for it and when I sit to lift the base my knees ram into the tree. I can't get more than a foot of advance with each move. Same goes on the way down.

This stand does fold flatter, is lighter and packs much easier than any of my other stands, but I just can't deal with the difficult climbing of it. I'll also say that once I did get to about 20 feet and secured the top/bottom straps I felt solid as a rock.