What's wrong with this POV?
08-10-2008 | 08:21 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: What's wrong with this POV?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Thanks, Cooter. I wonder who they think is reading this stuff?
All things CAN'T be equal if we're comapring heavy to light. They'd have to be shot at differing draw weights for that to be true.
Again....I suppose the fact that the lighter arrow would be traveling faster is a non-issue????????
Thanks, Cooter. I wonder who they think is reading this stuff?
all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum.
Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".
A heavier arrow traveling at the same speed as a lighter arrow, the heavier arrow will have more momentum and penetrate further.
It's that simple.
Now we can get difficult and it's obvious to everyone that a 350 grain arrow shot out of the same bow as a 500 grain arrow will shoot much, much faster and at the same poundaage, the KE would remain relatively if not the same.
08-10-2008 | 08:23 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: What's wrong with this POV?
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Me thinks you guys are over analyzing his statement. He said nothing out of the same bow. It's a very simple example to understand momentum, nothing more.
A heavier arrow traveling at the same speed as a lighter arrow, the heavier arrow will have more momentum and penetrate further.
It's that simple.
Now we can get difficult and it's obvious to everyone that a 350 grain arrow shot out of the same bow as a 500 grain arrow will shoot much, much faster and at the same poundaage, the KE would remain relatively if not the same.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Thanks, Cooter. I wonder who they think is reading this stuff?
All things CAN'T be equal if we're comapring heavy to light. They'd have to be shot at differing draw weights for that to be true.
Again....I suppose the fact that the lighter arrow would be traveling faster is a non-issue????????
Thanks, Cooter. I wonder who they think is reading this stuff?
all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum.
Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".
A heavier arrow traveling at the same speed as a lighter arrow, the heavier arrow will have more momentum and penetrate further.
It's that simple.
Now we can get difficult and it's obvious to everyone that a 350 grain arrow shot out of the same bow as a 500 grain arrow will shoot much, much faster and at the same poundaage, the KE would remain relatively if not the same.
08-10-2008 | 08:24 PM
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Your average reader is gonna read that and think a 500gr arrow is "better" and is goingto carry more "momentum" than the 350gr (I'm OK using your examples) arrow he's now utilizing.
That is SERIOUSLY misleading.
That is SERIOUSLY misleading.
08-10-2008 | 08:25 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: What's wrong with this POV?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Your average reader is gonna read that and think a 500gr arrow is "better" and is goingto carry more "momentum" than the 350gr (I'm OK using your examples) arrow he's now utilizing.
That is SERIOUSLY misleading.
Your average reader is gonna read that and think a 500gr arrow is "better" and is goingto carry more "momentum" than the 350gr (I'm OK using your examples) arrow he's now utilizing.
That is SERIOUSLY misleading.
08-10-2008 | 08:27 PM
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RE: What's wrong with this POV?
ORIGINAL: TFOX
The problem is that most of us CAN NOT get a heavy arrow going the same speed as a lighter one,Apples and oranges.
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
Me thinks you guys are over analyzing his statement. He said nothing out of the same bow. It's a very simple example to understand momentum, nothing more.
A heavier arrow traveling at the same speed as a lighter arrow, the heavier arrow will have more momentum and penetrate further.
It's that simple.
Now we can get difficult and it's obvious to everyone that a 350 grain arrow shot out of the same bow as a 500 grain arrow will shoot much, much faster and at the same poundaage, the KE would remain relatively if not the same.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Thanks, Cooter. I wonder who they think is reading this stuff?
All things CAN'T be equal if we're comapring heavy to light. They'd have to be shot at differing draw weights for that to be true.
Again....I suppose the fact that the lighter arrow would be traveling faster is a non-issue????????
Thanks, Cooter. I wonder who they think is reading this stuff?
all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum.
Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".
A heavier arrow traveling at the same speed as a lighter arrow, the heavier arrow will have more momentum and penetrate further.
It's that simple.
Now we can get difficult and it's obvious to everyone that a 350 grain arrow shot out of the same bow as a 500 grain arrow will shoot much, much faster and at the same poundaage, the KE would remain relatively if not the same.
It's a very generic example....
Example one, a Mathews Switchback shooting a 350 grain arrow at 280 fps.
Example two, my 82nd shooting a 465 grain arrow at 280 fps.
Which has a great momentum.
It's a very generic statement to understand momentum. Nothing more. We're over thinking these easy to understand statements.
We all know and it's common sense that it can't be out of the same bow, same poundage etc....that's not what I read in that statement at all.
A heavy arrow has more momentum than a lighter arrow traveling at the same speed. It's simple and generic.
08-10-2008 | 08:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT
I'm usually one of the ones touting D&DH articles....but this recent issue has an article discussing the advantages to a heavy hunting arrow....and the author says this:
"But really, all you need to know about momentum is that, all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum. Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".
If you're touting heavy arrows over lighter arrows.....what's wrong with these statements?
I'm usually one of the ones touting D&DH articles....but this recent issue has an article discussing the advantages to a heavy hunting arrow....and the author says this:
"But really, all you need to know about momentum is that, all things being equal, heavier and denser objects traveling at the same speed as lighter objects will have greater momentum. Putting it another way, it is more difficult to stop a heavy arrow, which means it will penetrate more deeply".
If you're touting heavy arrows over lighter arrows.....what's wrong with these statements?
You are just putting in your own variables, What the author wrote was a fact. You put in varibles such as weight and speed. What he said was a simple way to explain momentum. Of course we all know that a bow wont shoot different weighted arrows at the same speed so this does relate real well to Bowhunting.
08-10-2008 | 08:29 PM
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Dominant Buck
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Rob....Then why didn't he say that?
Anwer this....
How many "average hunters" do you now who utilize different bows with different draw weights for their hunting?
"Average" hunters.
IMO it's SERIOUSLY misleading.
Anwer this....
How many "average hunters" do you now who utilize different bows with different draw weights for their hunting?
"Average" hunters.
IMO it's SERIOUSLY misleading.
08-10-2008 | 08:30 PM
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RE: What's wrong with this POV?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Your average reader is gonna read that and think a 500gr arrow is "better" and is goingto carry more "momentum" than the 350gr (I'm OK using your examples) arrow he's now utilizing.
That is SERIOUSLY misleading.
Your average reader is gonna read that and think a 500gr arrow is "better" and is goingto carry more "momentum" than the 350gr (I'm OK using your examples) arrow he's now utilizing.
That is SERIOUSLY misleading.
If I have one bow, I can't shoot a 500 grain arrow the same speed as a 350 grain arrow with all things being equal.
Misleading to the ignorant yes, anybody with a brain, no.
08-10-2008 | 08:31 PM
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RE: What's wrong with this POV?
He clearly states at the same speed,no where does he state 2 different bows.
AND,he says all things being equall.That means same bow imo.
The part that is misleading is that the heavy arrow does not have to be the same speed to have more momentum.As a matter of fact,the heavy arrow will have more momentum than the light arrow out of the same bow.
AND,he says all things being equall.That means same bow imo.
The part that is misleading is that the heavy arrow does not have to be the same speed to have more momentum.As a matter of fact,the heavy arrow will have more momentum than the light arrow out of the same bow.