Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
08-05-2008, 08:36 AM
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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
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What makes a 3.5yr old buck's genes more "desireable" than they were as a 1.5 yr old?
If you can only kill certain bucks, that lets"more" bucks live longer to spread desireable genes and help keep a closer buck to doe ratio.
BTW, "earn a buck" would work well in my specific area where we have a TON of deer, and I'm all for it! However, in many regions of Pa that's not the answer because of low doe/deer numbers. It would have to be county specific here in Pa.
08-05-2008, 08:50 AM
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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
ORIGINAL: early in
Smarts/experience!They live longer and pass on these traits through their genes.BTW, "earn a buck" would work well in my specific area where we have a TON of deer, and I'm all for it! However, in many regions of Pa that's not the answer because of low doe/deer numbers. It would have to be county specific here in Pa.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
What makes a 3.5yr old buck's genes more "desireable" than they were as a 1.5 yr old?
If you can only kill certain bucks, that lets"more" bucks live longer to spread desireable genes and help keep a closer buck to doe ratio.
BTW, "earn a buck" would work well in my specific area where we have a TON of deer, and I'm all for it! However, in many regions of Pa that's not the answer because of low doe/deer numbers. It would have to be county specific here in Pa.
08-05-2008, 09:02 AM
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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
Preach
No 1.5 deer out smarts a hunter
They just get lucky
The other factor I like about AR's and it has been proven in PA is safty. Hunter's shooting hunters is down. One most check before trigger is pulled. I think OBR helps in the same way.
No 1.5 deer out smarts a hunter
They just get luckyThe other factor I like about AR's and it has been proven in PA is safty. Hunter's shooting hunters is down. One most check before trigger is pulled. I think OBR helps in the same way.
08-05-2008, 09:10 AM
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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
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Preach
No 1.5 deer out smarts a hunter They just get lucky
Preach
No 1.5 deer out smarts a hunter
They just get lucky
Early made a statement about AR's allowing the smarter bucks to make it longer, thus improving the quality of the herd ...... that is what I was responding to ..... makes no sense top me
I think OBR helps in the same way.
08-05-2008, 09:26 AM
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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
One Buck Rule
I think after a 1.5 makes in through a season he's a little smarter. Even if not shot at he learns a thing or two
I do not think AR's make any deer smarter[8D]
I think after a 1.5 makes in through a season he's a little smarter. Even if not shot at he learns a thing or two
I do not think AR's make any deer smarter[8D]
08-05-2008, 09:35 AM
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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
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Early .... if they live longer because they outsmart hunters, I could see your point .... but if they live longer because they are not a viable target anymore ... then point lost and I am still confused ....
ORIGINAL: early in
Smarts/experience!They live longer and pass on these traits through their genes.BTW, "earn a buck" would work well in my specific area where we have a TON of deer, and I'm all for it! However, in many regions of Pa that's not the answer because of low doe/deer numbers. It would have to be county specific here in Pa.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
What makes a 3.5yr old buck's genes more "desireable" than they were as a 1.5 yr old?
If you can only kill certain bucks, that lets"more" bucks live longer to spread desireable genes and help keep a closer buck to doe ratio.
BTW, "earn a buck" would work well in my specific area where we have a TON of deer, and I'm all for it! However, in many regions of Pa that's not the answer because of low doe/deer numbers. It would have to be county specific here in Pa.
08-05-2008, 09:36 AM
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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
So its OK to tell a guy that he CAN’T shoot ANY buck, until he shoots a doe.
BUT it’s NOT OK to tell him that he CAN’T shoot a buck with X number of points.
Makes perfect sense. [&:]
BUT it’s NOT OK to tell him that he CAN’T shoot a buck with X number of points.
Makes perfect sense. [&:]
08-05-2008, 09:40 AM
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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
Jim:
You have 3 times the hunters we have......but we have damn near the same amount of deer. Change the bag limits.....and bring 'em on. We need some culling to occur.
EI:
That 3.5 yr old buck's genes don't get "no smarter"if they stay in his loins for 2 more years. He has the SAME genetic composition as a 1.5yr old as he will have as a 3.5 yr old.
That's why I asked you (and will, again) to explain your point.
You have 3 times the hunters we have......but we have damn near the same amount of deer. Change the bag limits.....and bring 'em on. We need some culling to occur.
EI:
Smarts/experience!They live longer and pass on these traits through their genes.
if they stay in his loins for 2 more years. He has the SAME genetic composition as a 1.5yr old as he will have as a 3.5 yr old.That's why I asked you (and will, again) to explain your point.
08-05-2008, 09:42 AM
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RE: Antler Restiction programs ...are you for or against them?
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When your herd dynamics are as ours are, Rybo......damn right its OK to tell him this.
So its OK to tell a guy that he CAN’T shoot ANY buck, until he shoots a doe.
BUT it’s NOT OK to tell him that he CAN’T shoot a buck with X number of points.
Makes perfect sense. [&:]
BUT it’s NOT OK to tell him that he CAN’T shoot a buck with X number of points.
Makes perfect sense. [&:]