So you're playing the wind...
 

You see a buck in the distance......and you grunt to him.

Now he's gonna do what?

Same scenario......except you've either blind grunted one up.....OR...you've rattled one in.

He's gonna do what?

Just a question.....WHY would anyone who feels like playing the wind is SO important......employ a grunt tube/rattling antlersin their arsenal.....IF they weren't going to take EVERY OTHER scent control measure possible?

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Well would you rather the buck just walk away out of your life, or come back in and possible get a shot whether he circles downwind or not? Seems to me that early season/unpressured and sometimes ruttingbucks do not always circle downwind.

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I'm saying "why take chances?".

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Form my rattling experience, they don't always go downwind.It helpsif you have a barrier such as a pond or really think fence row blocking them from getting downwindof you.

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Well I generally only call during the rut, at that time the bucks mind is where mine usually is;)

It is a possibility you can get away with calling because they are more interested in a) does in estrous and b) bucks infringing on their territory.

Maybe. But then again, maybe not.

I'll play the wind, and take my chances.

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Wheres the fun in not taking any chances? Thats all part of the fun.

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I don't disagree with either of you, actually. What seems SO foreign to one man.....is an acceptable degree of "taking a chance" to another.

It works both ways.;)

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I see what your saying Jeff,

The fact that he could circle downwind and bust you and be "gone" for the rest of the season. I guess its all depends on how much you want to risk.

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Depends on how you look at it. If hes a hog I'm gonna take that chance every time. You only live once and its only bowhunting. [:-]

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Whether you realize it or not.....you're making my point....and we agree.;)

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I only hunt the wind no scent control at all. Not that there is anything wrong with it nor do I have a problem with anyone that uses it. It just I choose not to waste my money on it. What ever happens happens. Maybe one day I will take the plunge and buy a suit and cover scents but at this point I see it as a waste because deer can smell alot more than one scent at a time and distinguish between the two or more scents they smell. I read an article that stated the number of scent pallets that a deer had and it was alot more than any dog they had listed.

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I'm sorry I don't see the point to the question. This person that hunts the wind is there to get a deer right? Or is he just there to watch a deer?
If he is there to take a deer then why would he not do something to get the deer within range?

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I've grunted in and killed 3 that did not circle down wind. In fact, every buck that i have had come into the grunt did not circle downwind.

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Right.

If he's playing the wind, religiously, why would he do anything to make a deer want to come in from DOWNwind of him?

Yeah, DC....but do you not marvel at how "random" some of this stuff is? I mean....I KNOW both my 8 pointers came from downwind, also.

All this (and your results)proves is......nothing's a given. I think we need to use our noggins more....and the "textbook" stuff, less.

"Take a chance", these guys said.

I agree.;)

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Jeff,

I agree, results vary from day to day and from region to region.....

I applaud you guys that are serious scent "freaks"... I'm just too lazy to fool with it... On 95% of my hunts i will be sweating by the time I get setup and it seems futile in my circumstances....I tried it for one season and didn't notice any difference in my deer sightings or the amount of times I was winded.....

When i play the wind and still grunt to a buck its b/c he is not coming my way and its a last ditch effort... If he winds me, oh well, atleast I gave myself a chance.

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Because condoms are expensive.

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If I am rattling or grunting once a buck is spotted I am silent. He knows where it's coming from and I am not gonna give away my location. As for if I see one and I was not calling I may hit the can once or twice but thats it! I then let them go!

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1st of all I've got a pretty good idea on where a buck is going to come from If I would rattle for one. 9 times out of 10 when I rattle the buck comes from the direction I figured he would and its usually upwind or to either side of me which would also be a decent wind. I wouldn't put myself in a bad situation for the wind when I rattle. If I figured that they were coming from the direction my wind would be going I wouldn't be out there to begin with. Sometimes these bucks come from where there not suppose to, they can do that at any given time whether your rattling/grunting or not.

Pre rut and post rut you should know where your bucks are coming from. During the rut one never knows where there coming from. Its a good thing there heads are up there ass then.;)

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I never had any luck rattling crap in NC

As far as grunting if the deer appears and starts to head away, then I will grunt, I also have employed blind calling with a little positive results

So yeah I'm taking a chance

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Every MATURE buck I have seen 3 1/2 and older always circled downwind from my stand. The yearlings walk where ever.

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Then maybe you smell.[8D]

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Same here. Ill chance anything, its what i live for.......just a chance:D

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What do you have to loose if you do not?

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Oh believe me.....NOTHING,

But we've got some hard-asses that profess to taking NO CHANCES.....yet they admit to grunting/rattling.....and NOT being as clean as they can be (all the while.....they HAVE to know that a smart whitetail will try to get downwind of them). It just doesn't make sense.

My question was somewhat loaded. See you and I agree.;)

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LOL...I might, but I think its because I use a decoy.

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Lmao!!!!! Look who's talking!! Jeff nothing makes sense to you unless its one of your buddy's on here posting or someone else who wears scent blocker clothing/scent! Quit knocking what others do by hunting the wind with out the scent blocker stuff, hunting the wind was working well before the scent blocker stuff came out and still works today. Who says bucks come in down wind all the time anyway?? Most of mine do not when they come in to me rattling. They come in to fight the buck, not wind the buck.

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Jeff-
Your posts make me want to hurt myself.
This is not the debate team.

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Dang, just take a bath and hunt the dang wind.

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Yeah...I'd say tou "got it" pretty well.

Now what;s wrong with pointing this out? Doesn't it make common sense?

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Pride is a very blinding emotion.

So is ego.

I have been guilty of both more than once too.

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Sorry. DUMB scenario. If a deer thinks a call is ligit, they'll come to it. No reason to circle around to it unless they have reservations. In that case, buy a better call. I've never heard of deer winding each other. Might happen, I've just never heard of it. Buck grunts? Why would anybody use a grunt other than the rut? It's sole purpose, please correct me, is to bring bigger bucks in that want to chase out the youngsters after their does.You hit adeep buck grunt and every young buck within a quartermile is running for cover. My experience anyway.

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Really?

Hell that's (reservations) THE reason.

You can't be serious.

I'll let the grunters address the rest of your post. I don't carry a grunt tube, very often.

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Never? Never, ever?? Do you think bucks just hope they get lucky after they take a doe out for dinner and a movie?

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ummmm what? You never heard of deer winding each other.

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Wow everyone beat me to it.

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Jeff

I will not rattle or grunt. The last thing I want is a buck looking for trouble and findingme while hunting on the ground. I've played around with it in the past. The bucks usually walks straight in or circles behind with the latter happening most of the time. I've alwayshad an alert buck, no shot and a bust in the end. Big waste of time.

I will use the " Can " but more as a last chance. These instances consist of...

1. If it is the last night I can hunt the areafor quiteawhile.

2.The last couple days before our General Season starts.

3. Wind will switch and not blow in this direction for a few days not letting me hunt this area.

Keep in mind... I never hunt the exact spot twice unless a great deal of time passessince I know I have contaminated that spot by hunting on the ground.I will hunt the same area but I willmove 50 -100 yards or more if I hunt it a couple days in a row. Who knows if they have found myambushspot while I am not there so I like to keep them guessing so to speak if they have.

TheCAN usually doesn't have them coming in expecting trouble as rattling or grunting at them. Idon't over use it either but use it sparingly. I usuallyuse it with a buck in sight so I can read him whether to or not to use it after the 1st time. Most of the time I just use it once.

Tim

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One more thing...

I have thought abouttrying a decoy soI can rattle or grunt. Giving them something to focus on instead of searching formy spot while on high alert. That would be interesting and probablymore do-able with huntingfrom the ground.

Tim