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magicman54494 07-20-2008 12:18 PM

Why are we losing the war?
 
We are at war with trophy deer. Being good soldiers we have prepared for battle. We know our enemy like no other. We know where they live. we know where they eat. We know what they eat. We know their daily habits. We know their mating rituals. We know their defense mechanisms. We take every step to render their defense useless thru the use of camo and scent control etc. We know every scent gland. We know their anatomy. Our opponent leaves sign for us to find. We have millions of spys collecting data. Our opponent has a brain about a quarter the size of ours. Our opponent has no weapons. As good soldiers we practice and become proficient with our weapons. We have all the technology.
WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR US TO GET THEM?

bawanajim 07-20-2008 12:24 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
They have nukes for noses,night vision like the pentagon can only dream about and they only think about sex for a few weeks per year.[:-]

We're damn lucky we get any of em.;)

Rob/PA Bowyer 07-20-2008 12:26 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

They have nukes for noses,night vision like the pentagon can only dream about and they only think about sex for a few weeks per year.[:-]

We're damn lucky we get any of em.;)
Best post from this poster I've ever seen. ;)

early in 07-20-2008 12:26 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
Very creative Todd! Very good. Their minds are geared towards survival 24/7 that's all Ihave tosay.;)

PreacherTony 07-20-2008 12:26 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

They have nukes for noses,night vision like the pentagon can only dream about and they only think about sex for a few weeks per year.[:-]

We're damn lucky we get any of em.;)
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Elkcrazy8 07-20-2008 12:33 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

They have nukes for noses,night vision like the pentagon can only dream about and they only think about sex for a few weeks per year.[:-]

We're damn lucky we get any of em.;)
sounds like my ex-wife!!!

GregH 07-20-2008 12:45 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

They have nukes for noses,night vision like the pentagon can only dream about and they only think about sex for a few weeks per year.[:-]

We're damn lucky we get any of em.;)
That's it!! Good one!

Once in a while I kill a general (one or two star) and some of their underlings when they are drunk on this thing called love during those few weeks per year!

AR Bowhunter 07-20-2008 01:47 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
They have no rules to follow an they go where they please an special do not go over there where that thing climbed that tree before daylight!

joshw020 07-20-2008 01:52 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

They have nukes for noses,night vision like the pentagon can only dream about and they only think about sex for a few weeks per year.[:-]

We're damn lucky we get any of em.;)
ROFLMAO! That is just CLASSIC!! . . .and very true!

Hurricanespg 07-20-2008 02:23 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
They don'thave anyof our rules. I don't think they would be all that hard to get if it was really war.

lifesadrag 07-20-2008 03:02 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
I think possibly they know us more than we know them.:D

Vabowman 07-20-2008 03:05 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
Because they have too.

magicman54494 07-20-2008 03:07 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: lifesadrag

I think possibly they know us more than we know them.:D
I think they have their own spy organization........... PETA[:'(]

AF Hunter 07-20-2008 03:41 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
From the day they are born, they are trained in deerilla warfare. They send their new recruits out before the main forces advance. They have a network of four legged and winged allies they depend on to tip them off when their enemy is around. They are fighting this war on their home turf. We stand little chance.

bigtim6656 07-20-2008 05:59 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
now thats some funny stuff
you forgot when they look for you they find you unlike the osama hunt
send a whitetail in the woods for osama and he would be in the ground in a day

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

They have nukes for noses,night vision like the pentagon can only dream about and they only think about sex for a few weeks per year.[:-]

We're damn lucky we get any of em.;)

2 Lunger 07-20-2008 06:13 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: AF Hunter

From the day they are born, they are trained in deerilla warfare. They send their new recruits out before the main forces advance. They have a network of four legged and winged allies they depend on to tip them off when their enemy is around. They are fighting this war on their home turf. We stand little chance.
Thats a good point too! They have every other animal in the woods working in their favor too. The dang squirrels, turkeys and blue jays have probably tipped off more deer than we ever know about. Stinking narcs!

bigtim6656 07-20-2008 06:15 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
ok to many people watching old war movies
lo great stuff man

ORIGINAL: 2 Lunger


ORIGINAL: AF Hunter

From the day they are born, they are trained in deerilla warfare. They send their new recruits out before the main forces advance. They have a network of four legged and winged allies they depend on to tip them off when their enemy is around. They are fighting this war on their home turf. We stand little chance.
Thats a good point too! They have every other animal in the woods working in their favor too. The dang squirrels, turkeys and blue jays have probably tipped off more deer than we ever know about. Stinking narcs!

bigtim6656 07-20-2008 06:16 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
hey i think i will call rambo and get some explosive arrows

ORIGINAL: 2 Lunger


ORIGINAL: AF Hunter

From the day they are born, they are trained in deerilla warfare. They send their new recruits out before the main forces advance. They have a network of four legged and winged allies they depend on to tip them off when their enemy is around. They are fighting this war on their home turf. We stand little chance.
Thats a good point too! They have every other animal in the woods working in their favor too. The dang squirrels, turkeys and blue jays have probably tipped off more deer than we ever know about. Stinking narcs!

valor10 07-20-2008 07:19 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
Well, most places (can't speak for them all), the doe to buck ratio is 2 to 1, or better. Areas where the buck kill is heaviier, it can be 10 to 1, or possibly 20 to 1. Who really knows? What is the percentage of bucks of that, that aretrophy deer? 5%? 10%? Maybe? That means maybe 1 out of every 15 or 20 deerMIGHT be a monster. Unless of coarse you want to plop down some cash and hunt in a deer factory, uh, I mean ranch :D!Laying down a monster with a bowon land that most humble, normal, average, everydayhunters, have access to, commands my respect.LOTS of work involved in that. Letting the 10 point walk, to get my shot at the 14 point ten minuteslater means nothing to me. Might as well buy it at the supermarket.

Germ 07-20-2008 07:43 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
They area prey animal, they were design by nature to be eaten by predators. The same nature that design them to be food, also gave them an instinct to survive.

If you werethe main course for predators for millions of years, you might walk a little slower through the woods;)

PreacherTony 07-20-2008 07:51 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: Germ

If you weremain course for predators for millions of years,.........
:eek:

Germ 07-20-2008 07:53 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: Germ

If you weremain course for predators for millions of years,.........
:eek:
What:D Just an example

PreacherTony 07-20-2008 08:03 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: Germ

If you weremain course for predators for millions of years,.........
:eek:
What:D Just an example
I'm tellin your Pastor you believe that:D

bawanajim 07-20-2008 08:15 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
Its enough to make your hair fall out.

robbcayman 07-20-2008 08:33 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
In all seriousness, I believe it is because they have such a large territory. If my only job was to kill a lot of deer I could make it happen. However, I work 50 hours a week and can only take off a few weeks a year to hunt them down. I hunt on close to 10k acres, so if they feel pressured in any area I'm in they can go to another location far far away.

salukipv1 07-20-2008 08:38 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
Are you serious?

Deer live in the woods 24/7/365 for their entire lives.....

You're an outsider trying to hunt deer in their backyards.

The odds are simply against you.



drdi 07-20-2008 08:45 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: Hurricanespg

They don'thave anyof our rules. I don't think they would be all that hard to get if it was really war.
So true. Our rules definitely tip the scale to the favor of the deer.

We all know how nocturnal deer become once hunting season has been underway for awhile. I wonder what survivor behavior would develop if spotlighting and shooting were legal? Hmmmmm?

bloodcrick 07-20-2008 08:49 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
cause were are playing them on there home court :D

MichiganWhitetails74 07-20-2008 08:56 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
They know thesmell our foot steps and they have an unexplainable instinct....they know when we're on their turf.....

Schultzy 07-20-2008 09:39 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

they have an unexplainable instinct
You got it Brian!! They have a will to live 100,000 times more then any human could ever come close to. The mighty Whitetail deer is an unbelievable animal, they deserve much more respect then allot of hunters give them!

2 Lunger 07-20-2008 09:51 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: Schultzy


they have an unexplainable instinct
You got it Brian!! They have a will to live 100,000 times more then any human could ever come close to. The mighty Whitetail deer is an unbelievable animal, they deserve much more respect then allot of hunters give them!
Shultzy, I give them their respect. Heck, I've been known to walk out of the woods and give the deer I'm hunting their props on my way back to the truck. Especially on closing evening. But, I always let them know I will be back also. I can't explainthe amount of respect that runs through my soul for these animals.

Schultzy 07-20-2008 10:02 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: 2 Lunger


ORIGINAL: Schultzy


they have an unexplainable instinct
You got it Brian!! They have a will to live 100,000 times more then any human could ever come close to. The mighty Whitetail deer is an unbelievable animal, they deserve much more respect then allot of hunters give them!
Shultzy, I give them their respect. Heck, I've been known to walk out of the woods and give the deer I'm hunting their props on my way back to the truck. Especially on closing evening. But, I always let them know I will be back also. I can't explainthe amount of respect that runs through my soul for these animals.
I know you do 2 Lunger!;) You can tell by how some people post in these forums in the amount of respect they have for these whitetails. Some of the comments are unbelievable. I'm sure you've seen them a few times on here. I've given them a shout out a few times as well on the last day of the season usually saying "alright you SOB's, you beat me again"!:)

2 Lunger 07-20-2008 11:22 PM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: Schultzy


ORIGINAL: 2 Lunger


ORIGINAL: Schultzy


they have an unexplainable instinct
You got it Brian!! They have a will to live 100,000 times more then any human could ever come close to. The mighty Whitetail deer is an unbelievable animal, they deserve much more respect then allot of hunters give them!
Shultzy, I give them their respect. Heck, I've been known to walk out of the woods and give the deer I'm hunting their props on my way back to the truck. Especially on closing evening. But, I always let them know I will be back also. I can't explainthe amount of respect that runs through my soul for these animals.
I know you do 2 Lunger!;) You can tell by how some people post in these forums in the amount of respect they have for these whitetails. Some of the comments are unbelievable. I'm sure you've seen them a few times on here. I've given them a shout out a few times as well on the last day of the season usually saying "alright you SOB's, you beat me again"!:)
Ya it usually starts with me me shaking my head and raising my old PSE and giving a hoop and holler and telling them its been a hell of a season! Deer and bowhunting is what fuels my fire and I respect them for everything that they are!

PABuckbuster12 07-21-2008 07:16 AM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
Deer have been around a lot longer then mankind. Living in the same house for hundreds of years. As said in a previous post, we are darn lucky we win any battles. But like all, we taste victory just once, or see someone else taste it, we are determined to keep trying, bc we know there is a Chance we could possibly win one more battle.

GMMAT 07-21-2008 07:27 AM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
Planets HAVE to line up for us to be successful. Here's what has to happen:

Speaking strictly bowhunting

1. You have to have such an animal in the woods you have access to. if they aren't there....you can not kill them even if everything else (including you being a great hunter) doesn't line up in your favor.
2. You have to be in the woods when he walks by your stand.
3. He has to walk by your stand.
4. He has to walk within bow range of you.
5. You need to remain undetected both before and during your draw sequence.
6. He has to offer you a legitimate, ethical shot.
7. You have to execute said shot.

Now.....what are the odds that a particular deer.....(much less a particular CLASS deer) comes down THAT trail....on THAT day.....and offers you THE shot?

The odds go up as the number of (_______ class) deer in your area is/are lowered. But whatever they are......the odds are NOT in your favor.

Jim's correct. There's a helluva lotta luck involved......moreso for some, than others.

bigtim6656 07-21-2008 08:05 AM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
ya saok it all in before you get to the field and get dropped because you looked to long at the dumb as in the tree with a weapon

ORIGINAL: Germ

They area prey animal, they were design by nature to be eaten by predators. The same nature that design them to be food, also gave them an instinct to survive.

If you werethe main course for predators for millions of years, you might walk a little slower through the woods;)

AF Hunter 07-21-2008 08:10 AM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

ya saok it all in before you get to the field and get dropped because you looked to long at the dumb as in the tree with a weapon
Huh?!?!

bigtim6656 07-21-2008 08:18 AM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 
i was talking from the deer prospective

ORIGINAL: AF Hunter


ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

ya saok it all in before you get to the field and get dropped because you looked to long at the dumb as in the tree with a weapon
Huh?!?!

bawanajim 07-21-2008 08:22 AM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

i was talking from the deer prospective

ORIGINAL: AF Hunter


ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

ya soak it all in before you get to the field and get dropped because you looked to long at the dumb ass in the tree with a weapon
Huh?!?!

I don't feel good about being able to decipher this.

AF Hunter 07-21-2008 08:31 AM

RE: Why are we losing the war?
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim


ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

i was talking from the deer prospective

ORIGINAL: AF Hunter


ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

ya soak it all in before you get to the field and get dropped because you looked to long at the dumb ass in the tree with a weapon
Huh?!?!

I don't feel good about being able to decipher this.
Oooh! Now I get it. I read it at least 20 times and couldn't deciper it. Sorry.

I may be slow, but I'll have you know right now, I am not very fast!


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