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Goodpost Greg, hopefully someone on this form that has not been seasoned or trained well will realize the importance of stand placement compared to wind direction and put it to good use.
I myself cant understand why anyone would stay in a stand if the wind shifted on me when the option of moving to another one exists. Also not a big fan of scent killers if they are not natural ones, why pay for them when most places I hunt have Dirt and water to scrub my hands and boots with. Never was keen on squirting myself with a man made product after taking a shower. I do use a UV killer and Baking Soda rinse on my clothes. |
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I myself cant understand why anyone would stay in a stand if the wind shifted on me when the option of moving to another one exists. Also not a big fan of scent killers if they are not natural ones, why pay for them when most places I hunt have Dirt and water to scrub my hands and boots with. Never was keen on squirting myself with a man made product after taking a shower.  If I'd gotten down when the wind shifted.....he"might" still be walking. My '07 8 pointer was shot on Novemebr 6th. Wind was PERFECT. Temp was cool. Before daylight the wind shifted and the clouds rolled in (I thought I was gonna get wet). I stood my ground.....and killed him at 7:05......coming from (for maybe the first time in my life) EXACTLY where I thought he'd come from. I was clean. It worked out. He's on my wall. He came from downwind of me (downwind at that time). I can't explain it other than to say......I thought it was gonna work out. It did. I only know that if I'd climbed down when the wind shifted.....he'd have lived another day. I'm not saying "I" have the "killer instinct". But I'm saying "something" told me to trust my spot (I'd seen him in that area on the previous Friday, Saturday). I killed him Tuesday morning. The best tool we have is between our ears. If yours tells you to get down every time the wind shifts.......by all means do so |
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What time of year did you get that buck GMMAT?
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 I have some pictures of 3 1/2 year olds the wife has killed in this county if you would like me to post them. |
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ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker I have some pictures of 3 1/2 year olds the wife has killed in this county if you would like me to post them. |
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What time of year did you get that buck GMMAT? |
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ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker I have some pictures of 3 1/2 year olds the wife has killed in this county if you would like me to post them. |
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker I have some pictures of 3 1/2 year olds the wife has killed in this county if you would like me to post them. The one in the middle on the back wall isabout a 20 minute ridefrom where you hunt in Kentucky, the 2 on the left are from Kansas. There are 5 other mounts in the house from Kentucky you cant see in the picture not counting a 140 class 8 pt rack in the floor that needs to be remounted. 2 at the taxidermists (another KY redo and the wifes last year ML kill) I need to get when I figure out which liquor store to hit! |
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Well done you 2 (John and the Wife)!!
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ORIGINAL: GregH So for me, it is not all about the odds. Why do you apply the knowledge from your past experiences? To put the odds in your favor? If it wasn't about odds, we'd all have an opportunity at a monster buck every year. ORIGINAL: GregH 1) A lot of people say this isn't rocket science and you don't think that hunting the wind is scientific. Did you hear me say that it was?? :eek: How would you refer to the using the exact angles of wind prediction in order to select a stand site? When it comes to deer hunting, that's about as scientific as it gets. Obviously "hunting the wind" isn't that simple of a principle to you. 2) I would think that most people would but all one has to do is read GMMATs post on "Forget the wind, just hunt" to see that this is not what everyone would. So the answer is ....No. Touche, I should have used the term 'majority' rather than everyone. But there are still very few people who conciously hunt with bad wind. As you mentioned earlier, it's common sense. 3) The weather web site has been practically spot on for the areas that I hunt "up here". Excellent, is that a national web site? ORIGINAL: GregH I didn't imply that you were soley ( or remotely)responsible for Higgens departure. :eek::eek: I must have imagined you bringing that up in a quoted reply to my post. My bad. you may take your place at the end of the line.  Haha, you'll have a better chance of getting your deer to, "give you a light" than that.Finally, the things that I post on here are to help others get an idea that they can expound on and help to achieve their goals. These are the very things that have helped me achieve success in hunting mature bucks. I believe that it's working. Why pick it apart and say it's not very scientific? I never said it was. I apologize for "picking it apart" about not being scientific. It seems (and apparently I'm wrong) that you were insinuating that you do much more than simply "hunt the wind," as if there is a science to you strategy. I'm sure you've helped a lot of people on this website... How successful have you been? Why not share some of your techniques? I'd be very interested to hear them, especially the scientific ones. Success is subjective, I consider myself fairly successful. Unfortunately I don't have any scientific techniques, I'm simple. I use the four cardinal directions, left or right, you know... the basic stuff, that's about it. |
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It was a good post and appreciated. I too do my best to hunt the wind. Perhaps not to the Nth degree but is is worth looking into. I am with who-ever said once a hill, mountain, tree line, or any other type of wind-break is introduced at your exact stand, those degrees are thrown off. You need to know what a wind direction means at your location sometimes the perfect general wind condition produces a swirl at your spot..(anyone watch the Masters? Hole 12 come to mind?).
I'd like more information on your approach or departure. At some point you are going to break the rule of hunting the wind. It's impossible not too. Sometimes you have to avoid areas to not spook deer by sight or sound and throw wind into the mix and you can't avoid them all. Also if you park north and walk in, into the wind, leaving, it's blowing the opposite way. Depending on where you hunt, sometimes you are limited on parking areas. |
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Greg: I was the one who stated "100%". I also stated that I take ZERO chances with a whitetails nose. So for me, it is not all about the odds. Dubbya You're saying that deer hunting has little to do with playing the odds? Then what is it? Luck?  |
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This thread had me thinking.....so I went back about a year to a NAW article I'd read by a guy named (I think) Bobby Worthington about this very thing. The header on his article was "All or nothing".
While I don't go to the extremes he does in scent control......his point was....if you're not doing everything you can to diminish your scent......why do anything? Why NOT spray down? Why wash your clothes in scent killer soap? Why NOT eat what you want? Why NOT smoke on stand? Why worry about your entrance and exit routes? The wind? If you're hunting a spot one day because you have a good wind......where's your scent blowing? Might you hunt, there, tomorrow.....if the wind shifts? Maybe I'm not understanding this......but why WOULDN'T you do everything in your power to make yourself AS indiscernable to a whitetail as you could? Why not worry about where you might wanna hunt, tomorrow? I haven't been at this that long.....but long enough to KNOW that if a deer Im after is in a certain area.....THAT is where I need to be. If the wind's favorable on a certain day....Ill be there. If it shifts the next day.....I'd like to think I didn't stink the place I wanted to hunt him in (i.e. the place he IS), by not practicing EVERY scent prevention method I could, the day before. Seems kinda elementary, to me.....UNLESS you dont care about where your scent is going.....and whether or not you "might" NEED to hunt, there, tomorrow. I say this from the perspective of someone who hunts small parcels (most less than 25 wooded acres). if you have LOTS of targets....and lots of acreage.....I could see where it might not matter as much. I don't think "most" of us hunt that way, though.;) |
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I actually hunt so that my scent is blown on to a neighbors land and spooks his deer into thinking my land is safer.;)
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Another perfect example of a good thread going bad. Will some of you ever learn
. You nitpic this and that. If it doesn't apply to you why tear it down?I have an analytical mind that needs to know |
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Maybe I'm not understanding this......but why WOULDN'T you do everything in your power to make yourself AS indiscernable to a whitetail as you could? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Maybe I'm not understanding this......but why WOULDN'T you do everything in your power to make yourself AS indiscernable to a whitetail as you could? Why not worry about where you might wanna hunt, tomorrow? |
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ORIGINAL: Rickmur Another perfect example of a good thread going bad. Will some of you ever learn . You nitpic this and that. If it doesn't apply to you why tear it down?Woops, I thought I took that out.:D |
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First of all, thanks to the original poster for some great advice and insight. Not sure if it was overanalyzed or not, I think some just wanted to know more.
I choose to use scent-killersoap, spray, etc., because a) it's not too expensive b)I feel it helps and c) what does it hurt? |
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I used to not think so much about hunting the wind until a couple of seasons ago. I totally screwed up on two monsters in the same season all because I didnt listen when I was told to hunt the wind. You guys that disagree with hunting the wind will start to listen when you see a 140+" turn his nose up and blow at you.:(I am not sayin that the sun dont shine on a dogs ass every once in a while though....
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This thread has been awesome!!!! Yes there has been some fishing ... but in reality, isn't that what discussions are all about??? Fishing for info ..learning ...... Thank you GregH and all that have contributed!!:)
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If you're hunting a spot one day because you have a good wind......where's your scent blowing? Might you hunt, there, tomorrow.....if the wind shifts? Maybe I'm not understanding this......but why WOULDN'T you do everything in your power to make yourself AS indiscernable to a whitetail as you could? Why not worry about where you might wanna hunt, tomorrow? If only I could "buy" into the notion that these things actually reduce or eliminate enough scent to make a real difference in how far or how much of my scent travels and it effect on deer, I might start bathing again.:D All of my opinions regarding scent control measures is based on using them andobserving deer reactions as compared to not using them and observing deer reactions from the same stands, wind directions, weather conditions, etc. I still maintain there is no observable difference, at least for me. But your question begs what difference could these measures make that are not observable. Well, after pondering that question for a minute....... Like many of you, deer can come from any direction in some of my spots that I hunt. A lot of our country is open. I have a bigger observable area than most of you. Whereas I only bow hunt and try to hunt funels,corners, creek bottoms, etc. I still have the benefit of seeing deer coming my way sometimes as much as a quarter of a mile away on a regular basis. It is amazing how many deer "wind me" as far out as 150 yards even when I have sprayed down and with scent lok literally from head to toe. Young deer, not so much, but an "alpha" doe or mature buck,their gone way before they get even close to me. Therefore, based on these repeated observations from these distances, my conclusion is that I can't reduce enough scent to make a difference even in the areas that I might want to hunt tomorrow. Are my observations scientific? No But are they "real" observations and not some "theoretical" conjectured study? Absolutely |
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ORIGINAL: jackflap Therefore, based on these repeated observations from these distances, my conclusion is that I can't reduce enough scent to make a difference even in the areas that I might want to hunt tomorrow. Are my observations scientific? No But are they "real" observations and not some "theoretical" conjectured study? Absolutely |
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Are my observations scientific? No But are they "real" observations and not some "theoretical" conjectured study? Absolutely Interesting...... |
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Geesh!! This is just ridiculous. Jeff why don't you just start a different thread all about you and why you don't believe half or all of what GregH believes and practices. Hell, his proof is on his walls. Hello? Is this thing on? Testing. Testing.
Seriously just start another thread and leave those of us alone who enjoy and benefit from a true trophy hunters knowledge. And after you are done with that, just sit down and get you a tall cold glass of Shut Up and drink it. Ridiculous I tell ya. LT |
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I guess it's about time I went back and read the thread now... usually happens when they hit 15 pages or so.
How does apost that basically said something to the effect of "I check the wind before heading to stand, and don't hunt one with an iffy wind that may blow my scent the direction I expect the deer to come from..." get to 15 pages, anyway? It was a no-brainer in my book. C'moooooooooon, hunting season. :eek: |
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ORIGINAL: Greg / MO I guess it's about time I went back and read the thread now... usually happens when they hit 15 pages or so. How does a post that basically said something to the effect of "I check the wind before heading to stand, and don't hunt one with an iffy wind that may blow my scent the direction I expect the deer to come from..." get to 15 pages, anyway? It was a no-brainer in my book. C'moooooooooon, hunting season. :eek: |
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Greg:
Are you kidding? I posted a while back that we kill deer coming or going to bed......coming or going to eat......or while out making little deer. That one got over 7,400 hits and went 37 pages. C'mooooooooooooooon!:D |
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ORIGINAL: LouisianaTomkat Geesh!! This is just ridiculous. Jeff why don't you just start a different thread all about you and why you don't believe half or all of what GregH believes and practices. Hell, his proof is on his walls. Hello? Is this thing on? Testing. Testing. Seriously just start another thread and leave those of us alone who enjoy and benefit from a true trophy hunters knowledge. And after you are done with that, just sit down and get you a tall cold glass of Shut Up and drink it. Ridiculous I tell ya. LT |
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OK.here's my 2 cents,if I'm hunting a stand and I know the prefered travel pattern it makes since not to hunt this stand if the wind will be blowing into the direction the deer will most likely be coming from,notice I said most likely because here where I hunt they can and do come from any direction.When I know this for a fact the best thing I can do is to keep my scent to a minamal,maybe spray down with scent eleminator and I do like to use earth cover scent.It makes the scent of me less noticable not as strong if you know what I mean.I do have stands that I know that "most"of the time the deer will travel in a certain direction and I can then use wind direction as a determining factor on wheather to hunt that spot or not.
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Are you ****tin me, LT? I wasn't even talking to Greg....lol. (Hint....I can't see what he types.....hint, hint....and the only reason I saw yours is because a fellow sac.......sorry....another poster copy/pasted it).
(I'll take care of that one, right now, too.;)) But honestly......Scent killers don't work? Bad science? I can see some of you guys in freshman math class........ "Gee teach.....that logarithm stuff sounds all cool and stuff......but when daddy tells me to count cows in the field.....I use the old tried and true formula. I count their legs and divide by 4." |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Greg: Are you kidding? I posted a while back that we kill deer coming or going to bed......coming or going to eat......or while out making little deer. That one got over 7,400 hits and went 37 pages. C'mooooooooooooooon!:D |
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OK, now... SIXTEEN pages later, and after reading every post (Dangit, I could have my column finished by now if I hadn't done that :()... and my burning question centers around this:
If I smoked, farted, ate garlic sandwichesor DIDN'T practice a religious scent control regimen (which includes spraying down).....I'd be a helluva lot more worried about it than I currently am.;) If I'm already there.....I'm staying. I might not stay al long as I normally would......but I'm confident enough in my regimen to keep me in the tree for (__________) long. [8D] |
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Lmao!
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Greg:
As God is my witness.....I don't fart on stand. I am the master of MY domain.;):D I probably wouldn't have brought that up.....but since you asked[8D] |
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I think the original post while simple, comes across to me as extremely effective. It is is like e=mc^2. So streamlined is the concept and effort that it is beautiful. After I re-read the first post, it really shows me that some people are outworking me all the time with things like this in their attempts to take big bucks. I need to learn and catch up.
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Jeff,
I just look at it as I was the person who developed the first buck roar; I just didn't capitalize on bringing it to market. ;):D |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Are you ****tin me, LT? I wasn't even talking to Greg....lol. (Hint....I can't see what he types.....hint, hint....and the only reason I saw yours is because a fellow sac.......sorry....another poster copy/pasted it). (I'll take care of that one, right now, too.;)) But honestly......Scent killers don't work? Bad science? I can see some of you guys in freshman math class........ "Gee teach.....that logarithm stuff sounds all cool and stuff......but when daddy tells me to count cows in the field.....I use the old tried and true formula. I count their legs and divide by 4." Nobody gives a crap whose posts you can or can't see, they just want you to go away. As long as you can't see my posts (hint, hint), stay the hell out of them because there is surely nothing useful that you can add. If you wish to debate somebody, start you're own damn thread. :eek: |
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ORIGINAL: virginiashadow I think the original post while simple, comes across to me as extremely effective. It is is like e=mc^2. So streamlined is the concept and effort that it is beautiful. After I re-read the first post, it really shows me that some people are outworking me all the time with things like this in their attempts to take big bucks. I need to learn and catch up. |
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Ummm... Greg... he cant read that... DUH:eek::eek:
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