I can see what your getting at buckeye. The wind just blows right through the outer fleece since its not very dense and then hitting the windblocker effectively making the outer fleece useless unless there is very little wind.

My suggestion would be to buy the gray wolf stuff or wear the windblocker fleece inside out.

I would think it's just going to be more comfortable to wear if the wind is really blowing, and certainly more quite.

If the wind is blowing thru the fleece......How would it not beblowing the warm air out on the other side of the fleece?

If you were to go outside in a cold wind with a fleece shirt on.... Would you feel the wind cutting thru it?

Would it (the wind) not take the warm air that was retained bewteen your skin and the fleece with it as it passes thru the garment?

Someone understands what I am saying!

I like to use fleece, period. Some time I use it as theonly layer very warm on a cold day an not bulky. The ride on the ATV to where I start my walking is comfortable.

Some of the best stuff I own is my Patagonia fleece pullovers. Put on an UA cold gear undershirt.....and a fleece Patagonia.....and I can stand about any temps NC dishes out....without bulking up.

I'm certain my fleece isn't lined......but I'm just as certain of it's thermal value.

What temps are you talking about and how long do you sit in the cold? I lived in NC for around a year and only remember the heat

I have been cold to many times over the years to put up with it any more.....

I know I went in before 5:00AM on the day I'm citing, here....and shot my buck at 8:15AM. I think I climbed down at 10:45 and got home around 11:15.

I can guarantee you I had a layer of fleece on that morning.

If you only had on an under armor shirt andfleece pullover and sat thru weather in the teens you are a freak of nature.

I never said that. I said I can assure you I had on a layer of fleece. I did.