Opinions on Crossbows
07-08-2008, 06:32 PM
#201
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: arkansas
Posts: 3,147
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
Art, buddy you know how easy that would be for me to say yes, especially now but I wouldn't. I would fight it because you know my feelings........a recurve, longbow, compound bow are all bows to me. I'd fight for one just like the other.
A crossbow isn't a bow to me in function or spirit. Combine that with how screwed up PA really is and that's my personal stance in a nutshell.
We're not creating NEW hunters in PA we're potentially transposing hundreds of thousands of them into a different season so the not wanting new hunters is not a valid argument. HOWEVER if all of a sudden 200,000 rifle hunters wanted to pick up one of the first 3 mentioned bows and join us in archery season I would just swallow that pill and welcome them in. All they have to do is pick up the weapons that are already classified as leagl for that season and have fun.
Since compounds are used by roughly 90% of all bowhunters, how many would support voting to limit bow seasons to only traditional bows?
Would you throw away your high tech compound and pick up a recurve or longbow to be able to hunt with 90% fewer people in the woods?
Would you throw away your high tech compound and pick up a recurve or longbow to be able to hunt with 90% fewer people in the woods?
A crossbow isn't a bow to me in function or spirit. Combine that with how screwed up PA really is and that's my personal stance in a nutshell.
We're not creating NEW hunters in PA we're potentially transposing hundreds of thousands of them into a different season so the not wanting new hunters is not a valid argument. HOWEVER if all of a sudden 200,000 rifle hunters wanted to pick up one of the first 3 mentioned bows and join us in archery season I would just swallow that pill and welcome them in. All they have to do is pick up the weapons that are already classified as leagl for that season and have fun.
07-08-2008, 06:56 PM
#202
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: madison county ohio
Posts: 339
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
I live in ohio and the facts are right on. doesnt affect deer heard like all these people say. all i am hearing is "more hunters in the woods" well where i hunt if you control your hunters like we do you dont have that. you have to have permission right?
07-08-2008, 07:32 PM
#204
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Obama made me join the NRA for 5 years !
Posts: 2,181
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Matt / PA I hunt a lot of Arkansas public lands. I might see 1 crossbow for every 10 compound - probably 1 for every 20 to be honest. Oh sure, PA IS different, i know, but our public lands get hammered with rifle hunters too, yet even WITH crossbows in archery you see few people in archery season
if you have private lands leases, or a club, or your own land, its close to irrelevant that crossbows are now allowed to everyone anyways - right ?
if you have private lands leases, or a club, or your own land, its close to irrelevant that crossbows are now allowed to everyone anyways - right ?
07-09-2008, 08:51 AM
#206
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southwest Ohio
Posts: 10,277
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Rybo,
You fellas need to make up your minds about the status of your state. Some say too many deer, others not enough deer. Some say plenty of public ground nearby that is crowded but they hunt it because they don't want to bother with a long drive to a place where it is less crowded. Sorry dude, but it pretty much sounds like the same old public lands hunting blues.
Whether or not i bowhunt is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that crossbows have been introduced in a lot of different states with differing conditions and no bad has come of it. My "dog in the fight" is that I refuse to try to tell my fellow hunters (no matter where they are) that they can't hunt with a perfectly suitable weapon that is in common use in lots of places.
When you choose to hunt public land, you are pretty much resigning yourself to varying degrees of inconvenience. If that gets to be too much for you, then put some effort into finding another spot, buy or lease your own land, or take up golf. Anything but the constant whining about how the crossbow hunters are gonna pee on your parade. It just gets silly after a while and probably does more to get people to support the use of crossbows than any set of actual facts other folks could provide.
You fellas need to make up your minds about the status of your state. Some say too many deer, others not enough deer. Some say plenty of public ground nearby that is crowded but they hunt it because they don't want to bother with a long drive to a place where it is less crowded. Sorry dude, but it pretty much sounds like the same old public lands hunting blues.
Whether or not i bowhunt is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that crossbows have been introduced in a lot of different states with differing conditions and no bad has come of it. My "dog in the fight" is that I refuse to try to tell my fellow hunters (no matter where they are) that they can't hunt with a perfectly suitable weapon that is in common use in lots of places.
When you choose to hunt public land, you are pretty much resigning yourself to varying degrees of inconvenience. If that gets to be too much for you, then put some effort into finding another spot, buy or lease your own land, or take up golf. Anything but the constant whining about how the crossbow hunters are gonna pee on your parade. It just gets silly after a while and probably does more to get people to support the use of crossbows than any set of actual facts other folks could provide.
07-09-2008, 09:19 AM
#209
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Obama made me join the NRA for 5 years !
Posts: 2,181
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
actually that he doesn't bowhunt gives him an out of the box view without anything pulling him to one side or the other
fact
As men, I cannot fathom ya'll not looking at facts, using reasoning and making good decisions based on those things. Instead I see a bunch of selfish, emotional guys crying about "their" season, "their" public lands and its laughable, it really is.
I use to be anti-crossbow when I was younger because P&Y told me to be and after being challenged to WHY I disliked crossbows, my REASONS and FACTS behind my views I changed because there are no facts to not allow them in archery season.
G&F commissions are figuring this out nationwide. Welcome crossbows, they'll not do anything but good for your states archery season (allowing them for everyone, most states already allow them for certain people
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The fact of the matter is that crossbows have been introduced in a lot of different states with differing conditions and no bad has come of it.
As men, I cannot fathom ya'll not looking at facts, using reasoning and making good decisions based on those things. Instead I see a bunch of selfish, emotional guys crying about "their" season, "their" public lands and its laughable, it really is.
I use to be anti-crossbow when I was younger because P&Y told me to be and after being challenged to WHY I disliked crossbows, my REASONS and FACTS behind my views I changed because there are no facts to not allow them in archery season.
G&F commissions are figuring this out nationwide. Welcome crossbows, they'll not do anything but good for your states archery season (allowing them for everyone, most states already allow them for certain people
)
07-09-2008, 09:24 AM
#210
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: maine
Posts: 506
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
I think what everyone is missing is that most hunters are conservative, meaning they do not like change. I know I sure as heck don't like change in things that effect or could possibly effect me.The xbow people are using the same argument as the homosexual left with homo marriage.It is a change from the norm which is unsettling to a conservative.I am not trying to equate the two or make this political,I am just weighing in onthe perceived mindset of the people involved. I don't have a dog in this fight.