Ghost bucks
07-03-2008 | 02:49 PM
#13
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RE: Ghost bucks
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How does he work the srape line.Mock scrapes?What type of scent? Is it resulting in him seeing and killing top end bucks?
How does he work the srape line.Mock scrapes?What type of scent? Is it resulting in him seeing and killing top end bucks?
I think he uses old scrapes and he just keeps them fresh with scent. Last I knew he uses synthetic scent. I don't know that much, they keep it hush hush[:@]
07-03-2008 | 08:37 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Ghost bucks
Gary, Is the guy affiliated with the company that makes vanishing hunter?I remember reading that the owner of the company Kevin doctors scrapes all year long as well as other people,Dan Bertlan the author of Bowhuntings whitetail masters,a think a guy named Dean,this fellow has developed some kind of a timed scrape dripper that has the capacity to hold a lot of attractant.I know that he has shot some enormous bucks.
I would like to hear from some of the guy's here that are killing slammers consistently regarding what tactics they use.
I would like to hear from some of the guy's here that are killing slammers consistently regarding what tactics they use.
07-04-2008 | 01:34 AM
#15
Nontypical Buck
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From: ND
RE: Ghost bucks
I've got one where I've shot my two biggest bucks ( 160 and 149 with a broken G4 ). I've got to see him twice two years ago. A couple rifle hunters had seen himlast year but no one has gotten a shot at him. Two years ago heshould have went around 170 or so.The rifle hunters were trying to tell me he is 25 - 26 inch wide ( inside ) but I know better. Hewould have broke 20" when I saw him. I doubt he gained another 5 - 6 inches sincehe was at least 5.5 years oldwhen I saw him. He is massive both in rack and body. We have never found a shed to him that we know of. God knows we have looked!! [:@]
I've only seen one other buck bigger then him in my area. That buck will die of old age too if he hasn't already.
Tim
I've only seen one other buck bigger then him in my area. That buck will die of old age too if he hasn't already.
Tim
07-04-2008 | 01:58 AM
#16
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From: Northern Idaho's Panhandle
RE: Ghost bucks
David Morris (hunting trophy whitetails 1 and 2)offers up quite a bit of evidence out there in regards to super secretative bucks. Basically in his bookit boils down to low testosterone levels either genetic or from an adolecent injury. Shy bucks that spend their entire life making survival their number 1 priorty even during the rut. Year in and year out due to low levels of testosterone they opt out of the rut, they feed, sleep, eat and do the majority of it under the cover of darkness. When a buck opts out of the rut and shys away from pressures by hiding out hisentire lifehe gains aphysiological advantage of passing on manyfavorable nutrients to body health and antler growth,on the other hand;rutting bucks exhaust these nutrients year in and year out while rutting..... Many of the greatest nontypicals including the worlds Top 2 were found dead, not killed by hunters.
Most of the biggest most careful bucks end up getting killed during the rut, period, we all know why....testosterone becomes their demise, conversely take thatchemical away and the drive to breed away from a monster buckand give him a shy almost paranoid demeanor, you get a ghost like buck that (with the right antler genetics) can grow tofreakish proportions, still it's very rare, but studies and testosterone sampleshave indicated this in Morris findings. It is an interesting chapter.
I'm not a fan of how Morris hunts these days ... basically Ranch raised bucks in Texas, but the man does know whitetails inside and out as a biologist. He spent many years in Georgia and then Northwestern Montana before he became more well known hunting and killingbig woods private and public land pressuredbucks.
Most of the biggest most careful bucks end up getting killed during the rut, period, we all know why....testosterone becomes their demise, conversely take thatchemical away and the drive to breed away from a monster buckand give him a shy almost paranoid demeanor, you get a ghost like buck that (with the right antler genetics) can grow tofreakish proportions, still it's very rare, but studies and testosterone sampleshave indicated this in Morris findings. It is an interesting chapter.
I'm not a fan of how Morris hunts these days ... basically Ranch raised bucks in Texas, but the man does know whitetails inside and out as a biologist. He spent many years in Georgia and then Northwestern Montana before he became more well known hunting and killingbig woods private and public land pressuredbucks.
07-04-2008 | 08:03 AM
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: Ghost bucks
ORIGINAL: shed33
David Morris (hunting trophy whitetails 1 and 2)offers up quite a bit of evidence out there in regards to super secretative bucks. Basically in his bookit boils down to low testosterone levels either genetic or from an adolecent injury. Shy bucks that spend their entire life making survival their number 1 priorty even during the rut. Year in and year out due to low levels of testosterone they opt out of the rut, they feed, sleep, eat and do the majority of it under the cover of darkness. When a buck opts out of the rut and shys away from pressures by hiding out hisentire lifehe gains aphysiological advantage of passing on manyfavorable nutrients to body health and antler growth,on the other hand;rutting bucks exhaust these nutrients year in and year out while rutting..... Many of the greatest nontypicals including the worlds Top 2 were found dead, not killed by hunters.
Most of the biggest most careful bucks end up getting killed during the rut, period, we all know why....testosterone becomes their demise, conversely take thatchemical away and the drive to breed away from a monster buckand give him a shy almost paranoid demeanor, you get a ghost like buck that (with the right antler genetics) can grow tofreakish proportions, still it's very rare, but studies and testosterone sampleshave indicated this in Morris findings. It is an interesting chapter.
I'm not a fan of how Morris hunts these days ... basically Ranch raised bucks in Texas, but the man does know whitetails inside and out as a biologist. He spent many years in Georgia and then Northwestern Montana before he became more well known hunting and killingbig woods private and public land pressuredbucks.
David Morris (hunting trophy whitetails 1 and 2)offers up quite a bit of evidence out there in regards to super secretative bucks. Basically in his bookit boils down to low testosterone levels either genetic or from an adolecent injury. Shy bucks that spend their entire life making survival their number 1 priorty even during the rut. Year in and year out due to low levels of testosterone they opt out of the rut, they feed, sleep, eat and do the majority of it under the cover of darkness. When a buck opts out of the rut and shys away from pressures by hiding out hisentire lifehe gains aphysiological advantage of passing on manyfavorable nutrients to body health and antler growth,on the other hand;rutting bucks exhaust these nutrients year in and year out while rutting..... Many of the greatest nontypicals including the worlds Top 2 were found dead, not killed by hunters.
Most of the biggest most careful bucks end up getting killed during the rut, period, we all know why....testosterone becomes their demise, conversely take thatchemical away and the drive to breed away from a monster buckand give him a shy almost paranoid demeanor, you get a ghost like buck that (with the right antler genetics) can grow tofreakish proportions, still it's very rare, but studies and testosterone sampleshave indicated this in Morris findings. It is an interesting chapter.
I'm not a fan of how Morris hunts these days ... basically Ranch raised bucks in Texas, but the man does know whitetails inside and out as a biologist. He spent many years in Georgia and then Northwestern Montana before he became more well known hunting and killingbig woods private and public land pressuredbucks.
07-04-2008 | 08:24 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: St. Louis, MO
RE: Ghost bucks
ORIGINAL: shed33
David Morris (hunting trophy whitetails 1 and 2)offers up quite a bit of evidence out there in regards to super secretative bucks. Basically in his bookit boils down to low testosterone levels either genetic or from an adolecent injury. Shy bucks that spend their entire life making survival their number 1 priorty even during the rut. Year in and year out due to low levels of testosterone they opt out of the rut, they feed, sleep, eat and do the majority of it under the cover of darkness. When a buck opts out of the rut and shys away from pressures by hiding out hisentire lifehe gains aphysiological advantage of passing on manyfavorable nutrients to body health and antler growth,on the other hand;rutting bucks exhaust these nutrients year in and year out while rutting..... Many of the greatest nontypicals including the worlds Top 2 were found dead, not killed by hunters.
Most of the biggest most careful bucks end up getting killed during the rut, period, we all know why....testosterone becomes their demise, conversely take thatchemical away and the drive to breed away from a monster buckand give him a shy almost paranoid demeanor, you get a ghost like buck that (with the right antler genetics) can grow tofreakish proportions, still it's very rare, but studies and testosterone sampleshave indicated this in Morris findings. It is an interesting chapter.
I'm not a fan of how Morris hunts these days ... basically Ranch raised bucks in Texas, but the man does know whitetails inside and out as a biologist. He spent many years in Georgia and then Northwestern Montana before he became more well known hunting and killingbig woods private and public land pressuredbucks.
David Morris (hunting trophy whitetails 1 and 2)offers up quite a bit of evidence out there in regards to super secretative bucks. Basically in his bookit boils down to low testosterone levels either genetic or from an adolecent injury. Shy bucks that spend their entire life making survival their number 1 priorty even during the rut. Year in and year out due to low levels of testosterone they opt out of the rut, they feed, sleep, eat and do the majority of it under the cover of darkness. When a buck opts out of the rut and shys away from pressures by hiding out hisentire lifehe gains aphysiological advantage of passing on manyfavorable nutrients to body health and antler growth,on the other hand;rutting bucks exhaust these nutrients year in and year out while rutting..... Many of the greatest nontypicals including the worlds Top 2 were found dead, not killed by hunters.
Most of the biggest most careful bucks end up getting killed during the rut, period, we all know why....testosterone becomes their demise, conversely take thatchemical away and the drive to breed away from a monster buckand give him a shy almost paranoid demeanor, you get a ghost like buck that (with the right antler genetics) can grow tofreakish proportions, still it's very rare, but studies and testosterone sampleshave indicated this in Morris findings. It is an interesting chapter.
I'm not a fan of how Morris hunts these days ... basically Ranch raised bucks in Texas, but the man does know whitetails inside and out as a biologist. He spent many years in Georgia and then Northwestern Montana before he became more well known hunting and killingbig woods private and public land pressuredbucks.
07-04-2008 | 12:40 PM
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RE: Ghost bucks
I have read his books and I remember that chapter.It makes complete sense.Given the lack of testosterone they wouldn't be scraping or rubbing much,or certainly not as much.To have one come by your stand some thing would have to put it on it's feet,another hunter,predator etc. An animal like that is truly a freak of nature.
07-04-2008 | 12:49 PM
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From: Oklahoma City, OK
RE: Ghost bucks
If you truly want to knowyou must invest in lots of trail cameras. If you keep the cameras up year round, and move them around there is a chance you could see one of these bucks. Even the most paranoid of whitetails will make a mistake. If you set up on their feeding grounds and do everything right you could nail one without him ever seeing you.
Plus, we all know guys who take big monster bucks ever year. The reason these bucks get so big is due to nutrients and time. Most whitetails are elusive, but there are definitely some that are harder to hunt than others.
Plus, we all know guys who take big monster bucks ever year. The reason these bucks get so big is due to nutrients and time. Most whitetails are elusive, but there are definitely some that are harder to hunt than others.