RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
 

I agree 100% with both of these statements and couldn't have said it any better!

RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
 

I recently chronographed mine (07 allegiance) and hit right around 280 with the poundage set at about 64. I had the mindset to turn it up to 70 after I increased my pull strength but I think I will just leave it alone and have a more comfortable shootingbow.

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That's not what I've observed. I cannot tell you how many people walk into our shop and say something to this effect...."I want the fastest bow you've got on the wall." 95% of those guys don't have a FREAKING CLUE as to what they're getting. I've tried to talk them down, but it's nouse. They want speed, and that's that.

I think those of us around this forum are more exceptions to the rule. We're all a little more fanatical about this than the "general public"....so what goes on around here isn't necessarily a good representation of "real life." I don't mean that in a negative light, quite the opposite in fact.

It took me a while to segregate what goes on here and what I do at the shop, because I'm talking to a different "breed" of people if you will. Most all of us around here are infinitely more knowledgeable about our sport than 90% of the guys I talk to at the shop.

Let's face it....Speed sells bows, there's no if and's or but's about it. Shoot, companies even offer "smooth" and "speed" mods on their bows now. Now why would they do that if speed wasn't a HUGE selling factor? Say what ya'll want, speed ain't all it's cracked up to be, and it's not everything.

RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
 

BINGO!

I'm right there with you.... my HCA Iron Mace... pulling 63#s and cooking a 447grain arrow along at a healthy 277fps. Thats as fast as I want it to go. Drawing 63#s... is cake compared to the 73#s I shot three years ago... and I shoot it so much better too... do the math on a KE calculation.... 78ft/#s for anyone who believe in that sorta thing.... regardless... for the size targets I shoot/game I hunt.... its a Mack truck.

RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
 

Ya know. To this day I've not had a bow that I shot better than I did with my old Hoyt ProVantage, 20 years ago. 80 pounds and shoved a 560 grain 2216 downrange at a blistering 227 fps. In 3D tournaments, I was regularly slaughtering guys who were shooting much faster bows than me. That bow wasn't exactly slow for the time but it wasn't as fast as the old High Country Excalibur, or Pearson... Spoiler. I think that was their speed bow. Can't remember for sure. Browning had a screamer back then too. Mirage?

My bow was 48" axle to axle, 10" brace height with a heavily deflexed riser. So easy to tune - and that was a good thing because that blasted 1st generation fastflight would never stop creeping. But that bow's great attribute was it would put every single arrow I shot exactly where I aimed it. Just every once in awhile my aim sucked.;)

I took a similar one to my old sweetheart, Hoyt SuperSlam set at 65 pounds with 2216 arrows, and shot a tournament just a few years ago. It was a club shoot. Only classes were compound and traditional. I was shooting fingers and barebow vs guys with their tournament rigs - brand new Mathews with scopes and 3' stabilizers.

I won.

Here's what's odd.We've got a guy here who's shot a good group or two with a fast bow, complaining about how people are talking about how a slow hit is better than a fast miss, basically dissing speed bows. Here I, am a tournament winner with a slow bow, but I'm not going around complaining that speed demons are badmouthing slow bows. After all....

I BEAT 'EM!

Hahahahahahaha! [8D]

RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
 

Arthur,

To me that just proves that you were the best shooter out there that day. I am sure you would have beat them with a speed bow if that's what you had been shooting. Speed and accuracy aren't mutually exclusive and shouldn't be classified as such. A good shooter is going to shoot a fast bow well and a slow bow well. The fast bows today are alot more forgiving than they use to be. I shoot a fast bow but I shoot apretty heavy arrow with so I am only shooting in the high 270's. But there are that shoot super fast rigs that can shoot circles around me and guys that shoot slow rigs that can shoot circles around me. At the end of the day it's alot about the jerk behind the string. It's not a good idea for most new shooters to start with a speed bow because they tend to be more difficult to shoot. Of course I have seen some newbies start out with excellent natural form that are the exception to the rule. But, the saying in question as no validity becuase it imples that fast bows aren't accurate. Sure a slow hit is better than a fast miss but a fast hit is better than a slow miss. Either way missing sucks and either way it is attributable to the shooter, not the bow.

RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
 

I feel like my record last year, huntingwith anultra-high-speed, ultra-low weight arrow setup speaks for itself. (350+ fps, 290 grain arrow).

Testing the waters before I started to tinker, Igot about 1,000,000 reasons from people who claimed to "know" explaining to me why it wouldn't work, why I was nuts, or how I was certain to kill myself. I promptlyfiled all that trash in its proper container, and trusted my own judgment.

When the dust settled, I found 2 reasons that I was right.


Reason #1


Reason #2

I guess when you really break it down, it's a game of brace height, manageable draw, KE and know-how. It's not rocket science to put together a blazing fast setup on a bow that is built to handle it.

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I know, I know, SA. Just couldn't resist a little twist of the knife.;) But you did pick up on the thinly disguised meaning behind it. It's the shooter, not the bow and not the speed, that makes the difference. Bowhunting has gotten too equipment oriented.

RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
 

If you can shoot a fast bow accurately and consistently, I don't see where it can do ANYTHING but help you. Just because I (or anyone for that mater) am not hung up on speed doesn't mean it's not an asset. My bow shoots in the 275fps range with 477gr arrows.....with an 8in brace height!and that (for me) gives me the perfect blend of speed and forgiveness that I need to get the job done in the field in hunting situations with hunting close on shooting from different angles etc...

If you canproduce the same resultswith afaster set up (Fran has obviouslyproved it can indeed be done....nice deer btw) then I say "go for it". Sure a "slow hit is better than a fast miss", but then again any hit is better than a fast miss or a slow miss.

Just hit what you're aiming at and your problems (hunting wise) will be few.......;)

RE: Lets Stop "A Slow Hit Is Better Than A Fast Miss"
 

Seems to me that a fast arrow would be more forgiving in the field, since distance estimates aren't as critical for a fast arrow as they are for the same arrow shot at a slower speed? So it seems that, in practice, a fast arrow would probably be a more accurate arrow.