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RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
ORIGINAL: mez ORIGINAL: early in If someone wants/needs a reason to rant, all I have to say is take a look at the "Trapping Forum". There's a thread about trapping pics. Take a look see at that mess!!! I know this post belongs elsewhere, but I didn't want togo on there with my thoughts, and open up a hornets nest!! I just happened on toit, not knowing what I was about to see. All I can say is, I know where those anti's get their ammo from! Nobody loves hunting more than me, at least I haven't met that person yet, but that stuff was asbad as it gets. Honestly, take a quick look, I can't wait to hear what folks have to say.[:@]That's if this doesn't get blocked somehow. I'm quite sure any anti-hunter PETA type would take one look at your avatar and say look at that mess. I will say that the more self rightous threads that pop up the less ammo the antis need. Why should they fight us when we fight ourselves? United we stand divided we fall. I've looked at the thread several times and I don't find the pictures offensive. I'm a trapper and I like seeing the pictures. If you feel so strongly about the thread go post in the actual thread. Don't want to open a hornets nest so just go bash the guys where they won't see it. Secondly, voicing "my opinion" on the actual thread wouldaccomplishnothing but, as I said, opening a hornets nest.Those same folks are free tolook atother forums, much like I looked at theirs. It would be like me going to the CB forum and telling them how I think CB's have an unfair advantage over more conventional bows.Think about it.:D And lastly, this thread was about "ranting", and that's EXACTLYwhat I've done here. I would expect another trapper to come to the defense of such practices. That doesn't mean I need to believe in them.;)I'm done ranting. |
RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
Since when do animals deserve a fair trial? [&:]
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RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
My turn, my turn!
1. If this message board has taught me ANYTHING, it is to be open minded about other people’s choices and LEGAL pursuit of ANY animal they see fit to hunt. I am saddened by the overwhelmingly popular mindset that many people hold, that if it ain’t on the list of something that THEY would like to hunt, then they bash it and ask why would ANYONE want to hunt it. Elephants, giraffe’s etc. 2. I am not currently a trapper, but I grew up in a trapping household where I followed my Dad along the trap line YEARS before I was even close to old enough to be able to hunt. Animals caught in a trap do not die of starvation/hypothermia. Pretty much every state has a minimum frequency in which traps must be checked and a trapper wants to check those traps well under that minimum, to avoid animals being stolen. Dispatching the animal is typically done by a 22 shot to the head, or the animal is first rendered unconscious and then quickly killed. After the fall of fur prices back in the 80’s furbearer & predator numbers soared. I’m sure MANY of you get large numbers of coons at your corn piles, and they are hit on the roads quite regularly. The diseases that mother nature uses to control their pops are FAR worse than being held in a trap for a couple hours. |
RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
ORIGINAL: rybohunter My turn, my turn! 1. If this message board has taught me ANYTHING, it is to be open minded about other people’s choices and LEGAL pursuit of ANY animal they see fit to hunt. I am saddened by the overwhelmingly popular mindset that many people hold, that if it ain’t on the list of something that THEY would like to hunt, then they bash it and ask why would ANYONE want to hunt it. Elephants, giraffe’s etc. 2. I am not currently a trapper, but I grew up in a trapping household where I followed my Dad along the trap line YEARS before I was even close to old enough to be able to hunt. Animals caught in a trap do not die of starvation/hypothermia. Pretty much every state has a minimum frequency in which traps must be checked and a trapper wants to check those traps well under that minimum, to avoid animals being stolen. Dispatching the animal is typically done by a 22 shot to the head, or the animal is first rendered unconscious and then quickly killed. After the fall of fur prices back in the 80’s furbearer & predator numbers soared. I’m sure MANY of you get large numbers of coons at your corn piles, and they are hit on the roads quite regularly. The diseases that mother nature uses to control their pops are FAR worse than being held in a trap for a couple hours. Brilliant post Rybo, I feel the same way! Live and let live! |
RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
ORIGINAL: rybohunter My turn, my turn! 1. If this message board has taught me ANYTHING, it is to be open minded about other people’s choices and LEGAL pursuit of ANY animal they see fit to hunt. I am saddened by the overwhelmingly popular mindset that many people hold, that if it ain’t on the list of something that THEY would like to hunt, then they bash it and ask why would ANYONE want to hunt it. Elephants, giraffe’s etc. 2. I am not currently a trapper, but I grew up in a trapping household where I followed my Dad along the trap line YEARS before I was even close to old enough to be able to hunt. Animals caught in a trap do not die of starvation/hypothermia. Pretty much every state has a minimum frequency in which traps must be checked and a trapper wants to check those traps well under that minimum, to avoid animals being stolen. Dispatching the animal is typically done by a 22 shot to the head, or the animal is first rendered unconscious and then quickly killed. After the fall of fur prices back in the 80’s furbearer & predator numbers soared. I’m sure MANY of you get large numbers of coons at your corn piles, and they are hit on the roads quite regularly. The diseases that mother nature uses to control their pops are FAR worse than being held in a trap for a couple hours. I also understand that I'm fueling the fire of the anti's by even questioning this process. So I'll leave it go.:)I'm also a believer in "together we stand, divided we fall"!;) |
RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
ORIGINAL: psebwhntr16 His name is Craig Boddington. I usually skip his show, because Its not that good. Elephants are over populated in many parts of the continent and are devastating to food sources. They clear out strips of vegetation and snap trees in half like tooth picks just for the hell of it. It may be a huge dumb animal (2nd pt. simply not true...) but its still an animal, which means it needs to be managed. I dont agree with walking up to it and shooting it but I think an honorable way to kill and elephant is stalk them for a long way and then draw a charge from them so that when you shoot you must be very precise. This way its either you or them and that is the appeal, comming back knowing that you have defeated a charging 4 ton animal and you are alive. Why do people jump out of airplanes?? |
RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
They do make conibears…which are body grip traps that kill the animal, but at least here in PA, they can only be used in water sets…beaver muskrat etc. Don’t quote but me, but I’m pretty sure of that.
The reason they aren’t used on land is to avoid killing non-target animals. It is quite common to catch a loose roaming dog or cat. If a person is using a properly sized trap, nearly always the animal can be released relatively unharmed. One of my more memorable outings, a VERY large German shepard was caught, but he was very docile. My dad opened up the trap and he came loping right over to me to be petted. I don’t even think he even hesitated to put his paw down or limp in the slightest bit. I’ve stuck my hands in traps and yea at first it’s a little sting, but it shortly just turns to more of a discomfort level, rather than a true “pain”. They say, eventually the paw just kind of numbs up, and like I said, if released, usually is back to fine within no time. I know everyone has their feelings, and as an animal lover, you don’t like to see them suffer, I’m the same way. But there are a lot of half-truths out there about trapping that can easily be taken the wrong way. I’m not here to try and convince anybody of anything, I just want to try and give a decently accurate picture of true life circumstance. |
RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
Thank god for opinions:D about bowhunting. Do yourselves a favor and go ..........................................shoot an elephant or trap a raccoon;) |
RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
ORIGINAL: early in First of all, the buck in my avatar, the one that's dead, and not being held by his foot until he dies of starvation/hypothermia (sp), and suffering,was hit with myarrow and dropped dead (60 seconds)within 60yrds as I watched. Secondly, voicing "my opinion" on the actual thread wouldaccomplishnothing but, as I said, opening a hornets nest.Those same folks are free tolook atother forums, much like I looked at theirs. It would be like me going to the CB forum and telling them how I think CB's have an unfair advantage over more conventional bows.Think about it.:D And lastly, this thread was about "ranting", and that's EXACTLYwhat I've done here. I would expect another trapper to come to the defense of such practices. That doesn't mean I need to believe in them.;)I'm done ranting. And your first statement is absolutely false. Traps in most all states have a 24 hour check limit. They need to be checked once every 24 hours. No animals starve or die of hypothermia in traps. You think the guys are going back to the sets and taking pictures of the animals until they die? They get shot in the head with a .22. If you are going to bash the process please do not do so in an ignorant manner. I would like to hear your justification for killing animals with a sharp stick preseneted to an anti. As I said, to them, your deer is still dead, you are proud of that and they are offended by that. |
RE: OK, my turn to rant.. LOL
Rybo is spot on. David's choice would be not to shoot elephants. He doesn't see the point. I wouldn't shoot one either, but my reasoning is different. Elephants are highly intelligent animals that do feel emotion and grieve over their lost herd members. I wouldn't want to cause emotional pain fora trophy animal or not. However, that's my viewpoint. I don't expect everyone else to feel the same way and don't frown upon them if they don't. As long as they are legally pursuing the animal and helping to control the population, go for it.
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