Wildlife Jobs??
 

Well help me think here....im trying to think of jobs that deal with being in the outdoors and or with wildlife?

any suggestions would be awesome!

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don't take a job that will interfere with your hunting season. Alot of outdoor jobs seem to do this. Also most pay squat!

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really? they dont pay much even though you would work for the state?

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Check with your local DNR. They can fill you in on jobs and pay scale.

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I graduated from Murray State University with at Bachelor of Science and was wanting to get into KDFW, that was until I learned what they made. That's why I'm running trains now for more than double the pay.

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There are state and fed jobs in the outdoors, and no... they don't pay a lot. You get vacations and bennies and once you're in it's almost impossible to get fired. Depends on what you're looking for. It's a competitive business. Not a lot of slots and all that. Most require a college degree of some sort and still don't pay you much, especially starting out. Many .... MANY years ago when I sold my first business I thought I'd like to be a game warden. I was one of 700 that took the test at that time in Georgia for a handful of slots. I got accepted and was offered a job. Problem was, they wanted me to move even though there was a slot open where I lived. They wanted me to move to Savanah where I was told we helped with drug interdiction running etc. Well hell, I'd just survived 2 years in Vietnam not too many years earlier. I really didn't feel like taking up dodging bullets again. At the time they started you at $14,000. That was 1981.

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oh....so your looking to pick up road kill for the highway dept...[8D](JK)

not sure what national wildlife parks might pay?

Goodluck!

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ok cool....do you think it would really take up alot of hunting time?

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federal would probably pay more than state would

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Dog Catcher.:D

Seriously, nusience control is big business these days.

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I'm going into Videography or a Marine Biologists.... prolly Videography because college is cheaper and I love Video Cameras

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My uncle graduated from Mizzou with a degree in wildlife biology, and actually worked for many of the Waterfowl areas in Missouri and at that time the starting pay was $15,000/yr I believe is what he told me. Now he is a salesman for a company and makes 6 figures and still duck hunts a lot.

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Let me qualify myself a touch here... because what I'm about to write isn't meant to sound negative, or condiscending... its just the honest to God truth coming from someone who has been around it his whole life.

My father is now the Director of Fisheries for our state. He of course is a fisheries biologist by trade that has risen over the course of 35 years to the highest position in the state, without being in more than fisheries. Dad of course started out as a regional field biologist. I grew up on a trout hatchery as a kid (which he managed at the time), which is about as wonderful a way to grow up short of perhaps your dad owning a major league baseball team, a Hooters, an arcade and a Candy Store.

Everyone always asks me (always have always will) if I was going to, and now why I didn't follow in my Dad's footsteps... part of it now is because I can't... its a conflict of interest, I'd have to work in another state.... the other reason is, because I know better....

In order to get any sort of position with the state that isn't hourly (most of the hourly's are grad students... not all, but most), you are going to need AT LEAST a master's degree in your field. Infact, thats just to even get an interview. The job market is EXTREMELY competitive. Dad usually looks at over 500 QUALIFIED resume's, and usually interviews about 20. You can almost forget about getting a job in the state you want... if you do, then you are flat lucky. There are of course always exceptions.

Now, whats your financial reward for being #1 of 500... starting out... about $32,000K a year... and thats pre-tax.... and keep in mind, unless you are a minority, your father a perminantly disabled vet or MOH recepient, or unless you just happen to have extremely good grades, then you are probably paying off some student loans on at least six years worth of higher education. Keep in mind, you could do like quiksilver did and be out of law school in the same time period... where most jobs start around $125K...

This is also one field where the school you go to makes a big difference. If you have a bachelors from the University of Phoenix, or ITT Tech... its going to be tough to get into a good grad program... and that is what really makes or breaks you. My father did his undergrad at Cornell and earned his masters at Virginia Tech... Va Tech has one of the better programs in the country in the College of Natural Resources there (Clemson, Ga and Ga Tech, Auburn, Tenn to name a few are also schools with great programs... Clemson and Ga Tech have had some big studies on whitetails in the last few years so I've read).

There are other places you can get jobs at besides "the state" itself, but most of those are either non-profits, or research type work for often state owned schools (such as the VA Institue of Marine Science - VIMS here in VA... attached to the College of William and Mary... they have a phenomenal staff there.. and the girlfriend and I went to see Guy Harvey speak there a few weeks ago on schooling/feeding behaviors of sailfish). A gent who worked for Dad for several years and recently retired has started his own business doing research and studies as an indepentant contractor for large firms that often are required by law to do environmental impact studies (usually power companies). I actually did some work for him last summer (I did a lot of volunteer work shocking fish and what not in high school, so I learned how it needs to be done, and how to collect data and so forth). We were doing a job on the Roanoke River in NC for Dominion Power on the dams impact of spawning in anadromous fish species (fish that spawn in fresh water and return to salt water each year... striped bass, blueback herring, hickory shad, American Shad etc etc).

As to that sort of job impacting your hunting... lets put it this way... today (ironically) is Dad's 57th birthday... I called him this morning before work and he was already ass deep in a board meeting... and keep in mind... he's the boss (or one of them).... he did however manage to sneek away this afternoon and go striper fishing down on the river. His advice would be that if you like to fish... be a fisherman... because working around it isn't going to help you fish more. With regards to hunting... I suspect that you'll be doing less, because when hunters are harvesting game and find some weird growth on a deer.. they'll be calling you to come identify it.

The guys I know who get to hunt a lot have or are one or more of the following things:

1) Retired
2) Own their own successful business/make their own schedules
3) Are single, or hunt with their wives
4) Trust Funds/spoiled/on parental teet
5) Farmers (not much to plant in the winter.. but there is always something needs work).
6) (Like me) Work four LONG days in order to hunt three days straight... but you don't make a lot of money, and your quality of life suffers... its a good thing to do when you are 25 and single... but it will someday have to come to an end.

Final advice... you will be happiest doing what you really love, and if you are like me you'll succeed most only doing things that you really love. My dad knew what he wanted to do from the time he was 6 years old.. and he knew what was involved. I'm 25, have a college degree and I still don't know... I just want to hunt... and I'm too busy hunting to figure out how to make a living at it.... maybe it will find me.. who knows... good luck bro.

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WOW....thanks SwapCollie....I seriously appreaciate it VERY much.....i really apprecaite the time you spent writing all that!

its very helpful and gave me another look at it!

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ok...now what kind of videoography jobs are there since i am like chasebaker and love to use camcorders?

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i got 1 more year left in Park and Resource Management.

im already trained in CPR, basic search and rescue and some wildland firefighting. next year i will be taking EMT training and seasonal federal law enforcement training.

when im out, i can go 1000000 directions...from NPS, USFWS, BLM, state agencies, work as a park ranger, interpreter, manager, wildland fire fighter, etc etc etc...and with my law enforcement training, i can do anything once i make the next step and get fully trained in federal law enforcement...my advisor has former students working border patrol and working for the FBI etc right now that graduated from the program and major im in.

Memorial day i will be driving to Cape Cod National Seashore to work for the NPS as a dispatcher. how awesome is that? 21yo still in college working as a dispatcher for the NPS on the beach for a summer?? come on...you cant get none better than that. im not much of a beach guy...but come on...im a 21yo guy...living on a beach for the summer....getting paid...getting to live out of state and see new places...getting a pretty awesome job to put on the resume...oh ya...and making money :D


the times have changed...not all of the jobs your thinking of have crappy pay. i know i will be making 35-40k a year my first year out as a park ranger in a national park. my advisor has former students making 85k a year as rangers after only 10 years or so. that aint bad money for any line of work.

yep, it aint all i can crack it up to be. getting a good job as a ranger in the NPS isnt going to be easy. i may be working a couple "seasons" till i find a permanant position. but, my school is very highly rated in the program. we have a job fair every winter where 5-10 national parks and a couple state and army corp of engineers come to our school to interview us to hire us because they want us. thats why i dont worry one bit. my advisor been at this a while...he got a pile of connections and did some time in the park service himself. knows many people in many places and knows what they want. thats why we get the fire, search and rescue, emt, cpr trainings etc...ontop of LE training and a 4 year degree..we are very marketable and everywhere that our students go seem to want more of us. we got students in all the big parks.

but im not limited to the park service either.



do the research....find the school....persue YOUR dream.

yep, im never likely to be rich or loaded. but, i'll be doin well....and i will be happy doing what i do. money cant buy happiness...ever. everyone in my life i know that has piles of money isnt happy and is really never happy. that aint me. i much rather be happy.

i got lucky and stumbled into this program by pure luck. i went to the school because they had a "pre-engineering" program...i found out in a semester that it wasnt for me and stumbled into my current major

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Thats awesome Mauser.....whats the program/school called?

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Buy a tourist camp and be like me.....a slave to myself.

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Im a sophomore at murray state majoring in aquatic biology. Like you said, state jobs dont pay crap. I work for the Fish Truck (pond stocking company) during the summer to gain experience. Hopefully I can get a job with an aquarium, or possibly start my own business after graduation.

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so everyone is saying that if i want to hunt, that i shouldnt be a wildlife biologist????

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BHB, Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania-Park and Resource Management...lots of loops to get into the law enforcment training...but i got in for next year. theres other schools with similar majors and programs...but from what i know, the law enforcement training and everything else we get is pretty untouched by other schools which makes us more desireable/marketable.

im not going to lie, im in it for law enforcement work. once im federal trained i can go anywhere and do anything from border patrol to USFWS to FBI if i wanted. and, have a 4 year degree to fall back on.

to get fully federal trained in LE im looking at another 6 months of training after school when im offered a permanent position. pretty sure that will all be paid and paid for though..not sure.


yes, i'll have a pile of loans to pay back...yep, its no 9-5 mon-fri job. but, like i said before, you cant put a price on happiness. i HAVE to work to survive and provide for possibly a future family. i want to be happy with my career. i'll find time to hunt and fish.

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I work for the DEP (Department of Environmental Protection) and I love it. I'm not getting rich like a doctor but the money is very respectable and you cant beat the benefits(health care, vacation, retirement). As far as having time to hunt, i have 14 days scheduled off this coming fall and thats not counting the new flex schedule i'm starting which gives me every other friday off. I have a bachelors in Environmental Science.

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OK, since everyone is talking about government jobs and going to college to get a maters......etc......let me expound a little on my last comment and current situation.

I own and operate a fishing and bear hunting camp in NW Ontario. I don't have a degree of any sort. Hell, I barely made it through High School.....it wasn't because I wasn't smart enough, I was way too preoccupied with hunting and fishing.

I grew up in a family that owns grocery store, hardware stores, greenhouses and my father has owned other businesses such as restaurants, etc.

During my early years and all through High School I had a serious debate as to what I wanted to do for a living. I tried 4 different colleges and bombed out.....big time. Again, I was too preoccupied with hunting and fishing.....pretty common theme in my life.

Rewind....when I was 9 years old my father took me on my first fishing trip to Canada. Needless to say, I was hooked. Ever since that day, I knew what I wanted to do with my life......I just didn't know how to do it. That was until 6 years ago.

At the age of 25 I had the opportunity to buy into my current camp with my brother and another guy. I jumped at it and so did my wife. BUT, before I did, I had to decide if I wanted to make my passion my "job." I did.

I quickly realized that it was a hell of a lot more work than originally thought....but I was outdoors and doing/being around things that I love. I have a love for people and I love to see them having a good time in the outdoors.

I don't get to fish as much as I used to, but like most here hunting is my true passion. I bust my arse off for 14-16 hrs a day for5 months straight in the spring and summer and I work a ton at marketing in the winter and early spring. BUT, I have from mid-September until the end of December to virtually what ever I want......HUNT. Actually, because I guide bear hunters, my hunting season starts in late July.

There are days I wonder what the hell I'm doing.....things would be much easier working for the man and collecting my check, but not nearly as rewarding. When I have those days, I look at my other options and smile.....I'm right where I want to be.

SO.......I guess what I'm saying is, if you have the desire and an outdoor life is what you want, do it.....choose your path in life and love it. I have and so can you.

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Depends on who you are working for. You'll get a set amount of vacation like any other job... how you use it depends on your family requirements.

My godfather was until recently my Dad's counterpart in wildlife (he's actually the director of the whole agency now... THE boss over wildlife, non-game and fisheries who reports directly to the governor, the board and the sec of natural resources). He is also one the the leading authorities in the country on whitetail deer... and if VA could have a "mayor" it would be him. he is a super super guy, and heck of a hunter and hell I can't say enough good stuff about him. He gets to hunt a lot, but thats how he spends most of his vacation time. He enjoys doing field work, always has. When you make it to that level, you can kinda decide what direction you want to go in. But keep in mind, both he and my dad have one or more post grad degrees (I don't know if Bob has a Ph. D or not) and they are top in their fields... and have been working for the state for over 35 years each.

The best way to get paid to hunt is to invent something... think about all the guys who see who are really filthy rich big shots hunting on TV... they are marketing and business geniuses... the two or three big hitters (Bill Jordan, Toxy Haas and Will Primos) found a niche and put their products in it. Bill's secret (he is the one to look at in my opinion) was to find a way to put his product on EVERYTHING and collect a royalty on it. He bascially did what Bill Gates did with Microsoft... make everything need it to work! Toxy did much the same thing. Primos started with game calls, and started to expand into accessories when he sold the controlling shares of his company to a third party investment firm whose name I don't remember.

Now, look at the guys who work for these big hitters.... Waddell, Blanton, Cuz Strickland, Brad Ferris, Troy Ruiz etc etc.... most of them will tell you that the way they got their job was pure 100% being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right person. They each have their own ways they found themselves in the right place... Waddell's for example was competition turkey calling... which is also how a lot of the HS guys got their starts like Ray Eye, Alex Rudledge, and Eddie Salter. Almost all your bigtime waterfowl guys either make calls or blow calls on stage. Some like the duck commander are just flat out people that others like to talk with and see on TV, and they are genuine and real enough to stick to products. Lee and Tiff are two I can't figure out. I don't know how they made it. I know Lee was a Chem Engineer, so he probably had some pretty big money for a pretty big farm... and since he's a pretty damn good hunter anyway and had a pretty wife that took to it as well... they were marketable. They hunt largely on their own property, and film their own hunts.. so Scent-loks investment in them was probably fairly small to start... once you make a name.. you can run with it. Problem with it now is everybody wants to do it, and a lot of those avenues are closing up fast.

Me and my old lady have our ideas... and we have our contacts... but what we don't have is ANY startup money... hell we just now got a piece of furnature to sit on that doesn't fold up to take to the beach....

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^ that is ok, i am thinking of another career i would like to pursue. but thanks for answering.