This might be a stupid question, but...
04-27-2008 | 10:32 PM
#11
Nontypical Buck
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From: West Tennessee
RE: This might be a stupid question, but...
ORIGINAL: TJF
We had found a few winter killed button bucks that had shed. Granted we found over 100 winter killed button bucks that year. I justtook for granted they all would have eventuallyshed if they had lived.
After reading LittleChiefs replyI did some digging because I know what I saw. Granted it was just a few that had shed. I don't do drug nor drink much and haven't been declared insane... yet. Well the wifesays differentwhen hunting is mentioned.
Anyways...
Looks like LittleChief is right... for the most part.
Tim
ORIGINAL: Dubbya
Do button bucks shed anything? I just have like this mental image of something dime size falling off the top of their head. Anybody have any insight here?
Do button bucks shed anything? I just have like this mental image of something dime size falling off the top of their head. Anybody have any insight here?
After reading LittleChiefs replyI did some digging because I know what I saw. Granted it was just a few that had shed. I don't do drug nor drink much and haven't been declared insane... yet. Well the wifesays differentwhen hunting is mentioned.
Anyways...
A: A small percentage of buck fawns might lose their tiny antlers if they’ve broken through the skin and hardened, but most keep their buttons. A yearling buck generally sprouts a spike or forked antler. That antler gets its start from the button that begins to show after the buck is 6 or 7 months old. So I guess you could say button bucks get a head start on other bucks, which drop their antlers during winter. Search “antlers” at www.MissouriConservation.org for more details.
Tim
04-27-2008 | 10:45 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: ND
RE: This might be a stupid question, but...
ORIGINAL: RockinChair
They don't have enough to testosterone to produce a rack- which also makes them incapable of breeding. Also.. button bucks generally dont begin their their additional growth to the buttons until spring when the other bucks do- which is triggered by photoperiodism.
ORIGINAL: Dubbya
Awesome, thanks for the info LC, that makes total sense.
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
Nope, they don't shed. Normally, the actual "buttons" don't begin to protrude through the skin until spring, so there's nothing to shed.
Nope, they don't shed. Normally, the actual "buttons" don't begin to protrude through the skin until spring, so there's nothing to shed.
I suspect these button bucks alsoshed their buttons.
Ok, I will quit being a twit since breeding and shedding button bucks are probably a rariety.
Tim
p.s. but they can !!!!!!!!
04-27-2008 | 10:53 PM
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From: ND
RE: This might be a stupid question, but...
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
C'mon, Tim.... give me a break![:@] I added "normally" on the second statement. Guess I should have added it at the end of the first sentence also.
ORIGINAL: TJF
We had found a few winter killed button bucks that had shed. Granted we found over 100 winter killed button bucks that year. I justtook for granted they all would have eventuallyshed if they had lived.
After reading LittleChiefs replyI did some digging because I know what I saw. Granted it was just a few that had shed. I don't do drug nor drink much and haven't been declared insane... yet. Well the wifesays differentwhen hunting is mentioned. Anyways...
Looks like LittleChief is right... for the most part.
Tim
ORIGINAL: Dubbya
Do button bucks shed anything? I just have like this mental image of something dime size falling off the top of their head. Anybody have any insight here?
Do button bucks shed anything? I just have like this mental image of something dime size falling off the top of their head. Anybody have any insight here?
After reading LittleChiefs replyI did some digging because I know what I saw. Granted it was just a few that had shed. I don't do drug nor drink much and haven't been declared insane... yet. Well the wifesays differentwhen hunting is mentioned.
Anyways...
A: A small percentage of buck fawns might lose their tiny antlers if they’ve broken through the skin and hardened, but most keep their buttons. A yearling buck generally sprouts a spike or forked antler. That antler gets its start from the button that begins to show after the buck is 6 or 7 months old. So I guess you could say button bucks get a head start on other bucks, which drop their antlers during winter. Search “antlers” at www.MissouriConservation.org for more details.
Tim
Tim
04-27-2008 | 10:57 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
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From: West Tennessee
RE: This might be a stupid question, but...
ORIGINAL: TJF
Not according to Helenette Sliver of the New Hampshire Department Game. She had documented several cases of button buck breeding and impregnating doe fawns.Buck fawns that have small, polished (hardened), button antlers are pyshically developed enough to breed.
I suspect these button bucks alsoshed their buttons.
Ok, I will quit being a twit since breeding and shedding button bucks are probably a rariety.
Tim
p.s. but they can !!!!!!!!
ORIGINAL: RockinChair
They don't have enough to testosterone to produce a rack- which also makes them incapable of breeding. Also.. button bucks generally dont begin their their additional growth to the buttons until spring when the other bucks do- which is triggered by photoperiodism.
ORIGINAL: Dubbya
Awesome, thanks for the info LC, that makes total sense.
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
Nope, they don't shed. Normally, the actual "buttons" don't begin to protrude through the skin until spring, so there's nothing to shed.
Nope, they don't shed. Normally, the actual "buttons" don't begin to protrude through the skin until spring, so there's nothing to shed.
I suspect these button bucks alsoshed their buttons.
Ok, I will quit being a twit since breeding and shedding button bucks are probably a rariety.
Tim
p.s. but they can !!!!!!!!
04-27-2008 | 11:16 PM
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From: ND
RE: This might be a stupid question, but...
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
So, the question then becomes.... Is a young buck that has grown enough antler to actually shed still considered a "button buck", or is it a diminuative spike?
ORIGINAL: TJF
Not according to Helenette Sliver of the New Hampshire Department Game. She had documented several cases of button buck breeding and impregnating doe fawns.Buck fawns that have small, polished (hardened), button antlers are pyshically developed enough to breed.
I suspect these button bucks alsoshed their buttons.
Ok, I will quit being a twit since breeding and shedding button bucks are probably a rariety.
Tim
p.s. but they can !!!!!!!!
ORIGINAL: RockinChair
They don't have enough to testosterone to produce a rack- which also makes them incapable of breeding. Also.. button bucks generally dont begin their their additional growth to the buttons until spring when the other bucks do- which is triggered by photoperiodism.
ORIGINAL: Dubbya
Awesome, thanks for the info LC, that makes total sense.
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
Nope, they don't shed. Normally, the actual "buttons" don't begin to protrude through the skin until spring, so there's nothing to shed.
Nope, they don't shed. Normally, the actual "buttons" don't begin to protrude through the skin until spring, so there's nothing to shed.
I suspect these button bucks alsoshed their buttons.
Ok, I will quit being a twit since breeding and shedding button bucks are probably a rariety.
Tim
p.s. but they can !!!!!!!!
04-27-2008 | 11:28 PM
#18
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From: ND
RE: This might be a stupid question, but...
ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker
Im with Tim on this one. The Wife found a shed from a button buck. And some will indeed bread their first season. Might not be the norm, but its going on.
Im with Tim on this one. The Wife found a shed from a button buck. And some will indeed bread their first season. Might not be the norm, but its going on.
Tim
04-28-2008 | 08:41 AM
#19
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From: Central Minnesota
RE: This might be a stupid question, but...
Interesting stuff guys!! I really didn't 100% either way know the answer to Dubbya's question. Some shed and some don't I guess, I bet it really depends on how early they were born and also how much good nutrition they were able to consume.
04-28-2008 | 08:59 AM
#20
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From: Finger Lakes, NY
RE: This might be a stupid question, but...
Lots of great info, guys. I never really thought about it. Leave it to the forum to dig up the answers. Of course, any place that debates the pros and cons of the Butt-Out tool would discuss just about anything. (Hunting related, of course.)