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I never said you said it (diminish the accomplishments of others), Scott (it was said by someone else in thsi thread).

Don't take it so personally.

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Location, Location, Location. Well of course everyone here knows of some states/areas where big bucks live.

What everyone here does not know, is there are some big bucks living closer than you think, and you may never see them.

What some people whine about is what others thrive own... Challenge. If it is such a freakin challenge for you to kill a monster buck and that is what you want to do, you will either go find one, whine about none where you are, or just be satisfied with what you got.

It really all boils down to one thing... ARE YOU UP FOR THE CHALLENGE?

LT

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This post isn't referred or pointed at anyone but its allot easier for people to say yeah you got it made where you hunt and I wish I could hunt there because I'd have big bucks on my walls too. I hear this from people here in Minnesota who have prime hunting land. This drives me nuts. Some of these people will never put in the effort needed or go where the big guys are because there more then likely afraid of disappointment and failure. If your going to hunt these big bucks you damn well better be able to except disappointment and failure. It is what it is when your hunting these bucks!!

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Right on Schultzy, so true. I came to realize that chanceswere slim to noneof mekilling the kind of buck thatI dreamof here in Pa. Don't get me wrong, I love bowhunting in Pa, and put in a ton of time doing it with great results. But the reallybig bucksare few and far between.
So, I set my sights on the Edmonton Bow Zone in Alberta.It's an expensive hunt up there becauseby law, as anon resident, you MUST have a guide/outfitter.BUT, you don't have to worry about a draw for your tag, it's guarenteed. I find peace of mind in that.:)My second year up there ('06)I killed my biggest buck to date, not the monster I'm dreaming of killing, but a nice one. I'll be up there again in'08 on my fourth hunt so we'll see what happens. You gotta play to win!:DBy the way, I see big bucks every time I'm there. Getting a shot opp is another story. I've shown this pic numerous times, but I can't help it.;)

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IMO, the bottom line is that "you are only as good as the land you hunt".

We just sold our old farm in Brown County, IL. It is known for big deer and lots of turkeys. We killed both there, but not nearly as often as we would have liked. The property just didn't lend itself to that type of hunting. So we bought another property, and sold our other farm. We now have what we believe to be an extremely high chance of hunting mature bucks, year in and year out. Same with turkeys.

I also think a lot of hunters do not get everything out of their land that they can. Passing on younger animals is a beautiful thing!

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Bingo;)

This post has nothing to do with inches or age;)

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Jay Gregory said the same thing a few months ago on his show.

I think there are a lot who DO get everything out of their land that they can.I'm friends with a few of them.....and they frequent this forum. The difference in them and some of the guys killing big racked deer on a regular basis is.....

....well....you know.;)

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Didn't you just today post that you do not do this? Diminish other peoples accomplishments?

Nice one :eek:

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How in the heck is that diminishing ANYONE'S accomplishments? What are you reading into this that you don't like, Scott?

Talk about taking things personally........geesh!

It's a COMPLIMENT to some guys I know. Nothing more.

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I probly live in one of the worst places to hunt white tails in the state not many deer but there are a few big ones running around.I have gone away to PA ny but I just rather hunt here on my own turf it is most satisfying to me it has made most around here go away and hunt.I know if I put my time in Ill get my chance last year it was a hole to hours

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I didn't take offense to anything you just said, I just pointed out an inaccuracyfrom what you said earlier isall...

How do you know this? How do you know your buddies could go to one of the guys location who is killing big racked deer and do the same?

It's speculation and taking away from the other guys success....

Just my opinion.

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I think people are falling in love with the big racks (probably the most obvious statement I have ever made!). You cannot compare antlers in IL to antlers in FL. BUT, you can compare age, and with age in most cases comes quality headgear for that region. A 130" in IL is NOT the same as a 130" in IL. I know that I am preaching to the choir.

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Why is that? Do they use different rulers?

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Scott:

No. No, you didn't. There isn't an "inaccuracy". I meant exactly what I said and NOT what you read into it.

See.......these guys I'm talking about......They're ALREADY killing mature deer. They just don't live in places where the "average" 3.5 yr old is a "large racked" buck. I started a thread a few weeks ago asking about an "average 3.5 yr old in everyone's area. Look it up. Interesting.


How do you get THIS....

Out of THIS?

Did you miss the "some"? Not only are you twisting my words......you're coming across as QUITE defensive. Why?

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Jeff... Jeff... Jeff... You see the reason you get into all these arguments is that you think everyone has the same opportunities you do. It's all relative. I can put you in thousands of acres and have you so frustrated you'll come unglued. It is and always has been... location. Yes someone may read something into something you say in one of these "SUPPOSE" threads you start, but I have to suggest you may be starting from an unbalanced starting point. It's suppose to be fun. You're not as good as you think you are and no one is as bad as you think they are. The truth is, the guy that does a little scouting and plays the wind will win in the long run. I don't care if it's deep woods, God help us food plots, or just plop down next to a tree. I say to you all, YES... someone else can come into your woods and do better than you. Someone else can come into your woods and do worse. If you feel a need to make it a contest, well hell, you just aren't enjoying hunting.

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:D There are MANY more 130"ers in IL than in FL. So, by comparison, 130" in IL is "smaller" than a FL 130".

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Jeff...

First, I was not nor am I now being defensive.

It is just annoying beyond what my words could everbegin to describe hearing about location this and location that..... It is your go to line, reason, excuse or what everone wants tocall it anytime antler size is mentioned.

Who cares that NC or FL deer are smaller than Kansas deer? I sure don't and I would guess most others don't either... But yet we have to read about location, location, location anyhow.

I just can't understand how this post keeps going back to antler size. Nowit is aboutsomeof your buddies shooting "small" 3.5's at home thatcould shoot big 3.5's some where else....

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I think we're having a QDM moment. LOL May they die in hell. lol

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I am lucky to even have a place to hunt in the military base I hunt...I am grateful they allow me to hunt. People around here hate giving out permission to hunt. I do not care what others do in terms of killing monster bucks. I love working hard at getting a crack at even one decent buck per year....that being said.....if anyone in northern Virginia would allow me to hunt on their private property I will give you half of all the deer meat I get!!!!! :)

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This is the best quote on the entire thread.... thank you David! :)

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MY go to line? Who started this thread? What's ....not even "annoying".....but utterly ludicrous....is some people's insistence that loaction isn't the number one factor when it comes to killing large racked bucks. Tell that to the seasoned vet who moves from IL to FL.;) Same hunter.......different location.

You keep mentioning me and "excuse" in the same sentence. I have no reason to make an "excuse". I havn't done anything to warrant that. I'm just fine hunting where I do. No complaints.

Why does a fact bother you so? I really don't understand that.

Just another fact. An average IL 3.5yr old is larger than the average TN 3.5yr old. Again....why does pointing that out bother you?

This thread can go in any direction you want it to....you started the thread. It isnt like someone else brought it up. If you wanna let it die, then do so. But....don't get mad when someone says you live in a state that affords you more opportunities at large racked bucks than most. You do. Fact. Pull out that book you guys love and look it up.

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For the record, do not take any of this thread as anything more than a conversation, I am not trying to argue with you nor am I being as you claimed defensive. I am only stating my opinions.




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LMAO.... I know it's a long thread, but it looks like it needs to be read through again

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Scott:

YOU are the one that made this thread about me....when you said "location" was my "go to line". All the while you chide me for taking it personally....lol (which I don't).

I've never seen so many grown man tears as when someone posts a location thread. It's humorous.

I'll tell you......some want to look at it as if these threads are somehow "diminishing accomplishments". I see it another way. I see as downright insulting to guys like Rob/PA nd Matt/PA that someone would insinuate that there's something OTHER than "location" for the reason they don't kill large racked bucks on a regular basis (or, haven't in the past). Nobody seems to wanna look at it like that.;)

I wish they'd stop using it as an excuse, too. I just don't see that much of it.

If you're tired of hearing the facts about location......either pipe down or skip the threads. Just my opinion.;)

It doesn't bother me, either. I've killed a 3.5 and a 4.5 yr old the last two seasons. I'm just fine with my location. The "behind every tree" comment is someome else's.Can't pinTHAT one on me, either.;)

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All the while you keep failing to realize I never said location didn't matter. How do you keep skipping over that point? I have said it time and time again... :D

Also, my overall disdain isn't necessarily diminishing another's accomplishments but rather people doing the location finger point.

I have never caught a 10 pound bass because I don't live in Florida.... Sounds kindapointless to say huh?

It isquite obvious my odds would be infinite times better to catch a 10 pounder in FL than here in Ohio. So why would Ieven say it? If the day ever comes that I really want a 10 pound bass that badI will pack my bags and do my best to go get one. That's all I am saying...... Either do somethingabout your locationor don't complainabout it.... That's it.. That is all this thread is and was about.

If you cannot get over this thread not being about large racked bucks and it being about the text of my first postthan I am through with this discussion. I did not start this to argue or bicker but to voice my aggravation of every deer and now turkey thread turning into a pointing finger location thread.
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Hey you finally read my first post! Thanks bud :D

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Why can't you say it? It's true! If I were a bass fisherman from FL it wouldn't bother me in the least.;) I also wouldn't see it as complaining (unless it really WAS....and that does hapen, here). And I certainly wouldn't tell you you're using the fact that you haven't caught a 10lb. bass in OH as an "excuse".

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I like my location and i have killed some nice deer here,for my location.I think what gets me though is when we have some guy that does hunt in an area that consistantly produce big mature whitetails,150 and up. judge others who may not have it so good.The fact of the matter isthat locationis a hugefactor in the quality of deer one may have on your hunting land.I am glad some people are lucky enough to have that opportunity and hopefully if we can change our laws and regulations one day i will too.D0 I think it is easier to kill a big mature buck in areas where they are more abundant? yes I do,but I don't think it is easy,and I know you guys that are lucky enough to hunt in areas like that get tired of hearing how easy you have it as though there is a 160" buck behind every tree,that's not the case just like it's not the case that there are'nt any 160" class bucks here where I hunt,but they are very very rare.We have to be honest though if your going to hunt for a trophy your not coming to louisiana to hunt,all you have to do is watch the hunting shows on tv,how many of the shows have you ever seen do a show here.You could kill a trophy eventually,but there is no telling how many days you would have to hunt to do so and most of my hunting is regulated to maybe a couple evenings after work and weekends.So don't say we are using location as an excuse,the facts are the facts.I know some clubs that produce bucks that would rival any in the world,but I don't have an extra 8-10 thousand dollars just laying around for the membership.

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Don't most heavyweight bouts only last 10 rounds?

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Sure I could say it but I find it overly obvious andpointless to point out.

That is what I am talking about, those that complain... Not those who don't.

It is only an "excuse"when thereis infact what you seek, be it big racked bucks or big bassin your area.

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With that last post of yours Scott....I know we've found common ground.

Have a great weekend.;)

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One: Anytime someone brings up the location card it it is usually to down play someones accomplishment and heighten anothers security. Childish at best.

Two: I've never heard Rob or Matt try to use the location excuse to defend their hunting. As a matter of fact, you are the one who brings it up most often. Why do you feel the need to come to their aid when they are not complaining? They seem to be taking nice, mature bucks from their area without complaint. When someone from the midwest takes a dandy, you are usually the first one to throw out the location card. It is very insulting. There are plenty of people hunting in trophy rich environments that do not take big bucks. This must say something about the hunter.

Again...... The only time I hear the location card being played is when someone is trying to down play someone elses accomplishment and to raise someone elses securities.

Why else would it be brought up? "Well if Joe X hunted there, he'd get just as many big bucks as Bill Z."

What does that sound like to you??

Like Magicman said......Sour Grapes.

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I knew it was there somewhere... Common ground that is

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So no one can state a fact about deer hunting...."Gospel", even.....without it "diminishing another's accomplishments"? That's rich.....lol.

You drag 150" deer consistently out of a 12 acre woodlot. Ya THINK location has something to do with that?;)

They have no reason to complain.....and they're not. When someone mentions a fact, though....WHY do you take it as "complaining"?

I congratulate people for the deer they take and have NEVER, EVER said the reason someone took a particular deer was about "location". That's an outright LIE, Greg.

Again...... The only time I hear the location card being played is when someone is trying to down play someone elses accomplishment and to raise someone elses securities.

I'm telling you it's not the reason I mention it. Maybe you should look at it like maybe an INsecurity??

I can assure you there are no sour grapes here. I kinda think the implication (without substantiation) is humorous....:D

You're 0-2, legend!

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This thread is awesome:D It's worthy of Dancing super hero's

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Are you sure????? Maybe sour apples???? J/K lol:D:D:D:D

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Who are these dancers? Germ, Rob/PA with his shirt off showing off his muscles , HNI Christine, Quick?

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Wheres wonderwoman?
She's SSSSSSSSSSSmoken hot!

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Rob is Robot guy
Hunsucker is the shirtless guy
Matt is Spider man
Quick is the chick

I still am reading about inches and size in this thread, LOL It has nothting to do with it. Just states it one does not like where they hunt, don't whine. That is it:D